I would have to say
the final frontier
generatrions
insurection
and
nemisis
were all loads of crap.
Nemisis was one of the NG's worst ones because they just threw all this crap in and expected us to buy it. like another data on another planet WTF? totally not needed, it made the real Data's death meaningless.
also they tossed out the prime directive when the natives on the planet were chasing them in the buggies and they were shooting back.
Oh ya the nintendo joystick in insurection for manual control??? that was crappy.
Generations picards family dieing, who cares you saw them once in a crappy episode and then he is all trying to find the family album that we never saw before. what about his cherished flute that we saw in a bunch of episodes that actually had some meaning to him.
Final frontier let's face it that whole thing is a wash besides the comedy.
that isn't tossing out the prime directive... the prime directive forbids the manipultion and/or interruption of a planets political, economic, cultural or evolutionary development...
starfleet officers are more than entitled to defend themselves if attacked...
TMP was boring, true. Generations was, basically, uninspired nonsense, true. Nemesis was a badly written mess, true.
But Final Frontier was just plain dreadful. You can keep digging for good bits in the worst Trek films; TMP was lovingly created and well shot, even though it could put people into comas and was ultimately meaningless. Generations had a good villain. Even Nemesis seemed to be trying hard (although failing by a huge margin), and did actually have some drama in.
Final Frontier is just irredeemable. It's boring it's nonsense, there's no villain as such, the effects are bad, the action is bad, the resolution is bad, it breaks logic even more than the bi-monthly time travel plots, the characters go nowhere, no-one actually cares about anything that happens in it... I really did feel everyione had just given up.
It is an amazing miracle the franchise survived it. TNG played its part there, of course, but Trek films were saved by the miracle that was The Undiscovered Country.
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Quote" that isn't tossing out the prime directive... the prime directive forbids the manipultion and/or interruption of a planets political, economic, cultural or evolutionary development...
starfleet officers are more than entitled to defend themselves if attacked..."
Bull crap on that theory if the planet doesn't have warp drive they can't do anything. Remember the Original episode called a private little war,
They couldn't fire on the locals cause it is forbbiden, by the prime directive they have to do everything in there power to not INTERFERE with a primitive society. same thing with TNG episode with the duck blind looking at the primitve romulans.
TMP had an excellent story and was interesting provided you could get through the long portions of boarding the enterprise and flying into vigr.
I loved the movie but it is quite boring and if i am sick and can't sleep this is the movie i put in to knock myself out within 5 minutes.
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The Enterprise always had that hilarious joy stick for manual control. Finding that extra Soong android to use in their plans was pretty lucky on their part I thought but brilliant Picard bait.
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Wrath of Khan: What the first ST motion Picture should have been. 8/10
Search for Spock: a neccessary movie and anything that serves as a vehicle for Christopher Lloyd is fine with me. 6/10
The Voyage Home: a fun movie that really did strike me as an extended episode of the original series, which is why I loved it. "One damn minute, Admiral." 8/10
Final Frontier: The camping scenes. After that, it is less appealing than an old, nude Uhura dancing. 1/10
Undiscovered Country: A really good film. I watched it last night, in fact. What I would call a pretty perfect ST movie. Likely my favorite of the original crew films. 9/10
Generations: A waste of Malcom McDowell's ability and character, as well as being a horrible epitaph for Kirk. 3/10
First Contact: What a NG movie should be. Very satisfied with this movie. 8/10
Insurrection: Dreadful. 2/10
Nemesis: Again, a good villain, shoved into a terrible story. And, a waste of a great character like Data. Like the motion picture, it was really just a rushed response to Star Wars. 4/10 -mainly for the villain.
So, I guess I'm going with Final Frontier and/or Insurrecction.
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Help me out, fellow Star Trek fans; I cannot understand the all the dislike for Nemesis. It was a solid Star Trek movie (Sci-Fi movie in general) which was paced better than all the other ST films before it with the exception of First Contact. It had a very strong theme, which many of the other films lacked, and presented an effective ending arc for both Picard and Data.
It wasn't the best, (First Contact gets that distinction) however it is far from the worst ST movie. TMP, SfS, FF, Generations, and Insurrection are all weaker films.
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since when have they used a joystick to steer the enterprise?? they have used a key pad to adjust the course even in the shuttles but NEVER a joystick. (show me one episode where they have done that)
TMP 7/10 great story although it is quite boring in places, if you can get the directors edition on DVD it has some new effects and some stuff removed, and added.
TWOK 10/10 perfect movie
TSFS 7/10 good fun and humor and needed in the series.
TVH 8/10 loads of fun and a great movie, "Can you tell me where to find the nuclear wessals."
TFF 1/10 good comedy, nothing else, i don't even consider it to be part of the series.
TUC 10/10 along the lines of wrath of khan (same director) great movie
Generations 1/10 just a bad movie reusing footage from the undiscovered country, Kirk went out like a panzy, and why didn't malcom mcdowell just get in a space suit and sit in space and wait for the barrier to hit him. don't consider it part of the series
First Contact 9/10 great movie loads of fun, the only one out of NG that i like and have.
insurection 1/10 crap, bad and stupid, (nintendo joystick) and WTF Worf just happens to be passing by??
nemipenis 1/10 crap garbage dumb, did not feel anything when data died cause there was another one to replace him.
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Help me out, fellow Star Trek fans; I cannot understand the all the dislike for Nemesis. It was a solid Star Trek movie (Sci-Fi movie in general) which was paced better than all the other ST films before it with the exception of First Contact. It had a very strong theme, which many of the other films lacked, and presented an effective ending arc for both Picard and Data.
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