Is Batgirl's move reading ability more of an asset than Daredevil's radar sense, Elektra's telepath, or Spider-man's spidy-sense? Because Bullseye has managed to hit all three of them (admittedly Spider-man was injured). If none of them can consistently avoid Bullseye, it is ridiculous to assume that Batgirl could.
Daredevil says that only his radar sense allows him to avoid BE. A normal man couldn't hope to calculate the trajectory in time let alone get out of the way after. DD isn't even sure how long he can keep it up for and this was before BE got his brain tumor removed.
Seriously though, if all Bullseye ever did was beat Elekra it would be more than enough to give him the edge over Cassandra. Elektra is a monster pure and simple. See is stronger than Batgirl, faster, more durable, more skilled, and has telepathy and some quasi-mystical ninja abilities, but she still can't beat Bullseye... even with the aid of Daredevil. But he has other claims to fame as well, like beating Black Tarantual (a guy who owned Spider-man) easily, and stalemating Cap.
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To put it simply, ABC logic simply doesn't go around here, and a few good showings against Daredevil and Elektra doesn't make him able to handle Cassandra, especially since she has been constantly shown to be at least Batman level, with showings and fights proving her to be superior to Shiva(who has stalemated Batman in h2h combat) and Bronze Tiger (who has once pretty much one-shotted Batman and stalemated with him when Batman was giving it all).
She is much faster. Much more skilled. Much better overall as a h2h fighter. Range, I give it to Bullseye, but that's irrelevant since he just simply won't be able to touch her, as I've shown. Does he have precision ? Definitley. But how does that help him against someone with Cassandra's type of speed and, above all, her body reading abilities, which would allow her to know what Bullseye would to at any time. She will close the distance between them and kick the crap out of him, plain and simple.
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Good thing that in this fight he doesn't have the advantage of Batgirl not knowing who she is fighting, of it being dark, or of him taking her by surprise with a lantern in the eyes and a shovel damaging her leg, right ?
It's a good thing you brought this up because otherwise I would have and the bad thing for your argument is that I'll introduce some context aswell. It is made quite clear from the beginning that if Bullseye were to fight Elektra right then, he would get slaughtered.
So yeah, it doesn't really help your case. Furthermore, since he has studied both Daredevil and Elektra, him having the better (and highest) performances against them is quite logical.
Now, him holding his own against Daredevil and Elektra at the same time is probably his highest feat .. ever, though he got beaten and started running away. But one high showing doesn't make up for an entire career.
Daredevil has many times beaten him hand to hand, even while Bullseye was using other projectiles to try to take him down. It has happened both pre and post adamantium injection, which doesn't make up for his h2h fighting skills anyway. He was kicking his ass even while his radar sense was turning on and off.
And since you're using the Daredevil and Elektra simultaneous fight, here is Bullseye's latest apparance before that where he gets singlehandedly badly beaten by Daredevil ..
That looks familiar. Only vastly inferior to the degree Cassandra has it.
Point is, Bullseye is very good with weapons, and has an incredible accuracy but, in this fight, it won't help him at all for the simple fact that he just won't be able to hit batgirl, due to her speed and body reading abilities. Once she gets up close, she just simply slaughters Bullseye. His few good showings against Elektra and Daredevil don't make up for other losess, while Cassandra has constantly been shown to be at least Batman's equal in h2h, having superior training, and constantly been shown as being better than one of the best (Shiva, Bronze Tiger).
And I'm pretty much done. The battle will be over at about an hour from now (at :28).
Good job Srank. Heh, our first battlezone.
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Just checking in real quick. Good match Philosophía.
Just thought I'd say that a lot of those DD vs. BE matches you posted where from before Lester got his tumour removed which makes them less credible, I did mention that he was owned by DD after his attempted assassination of Milla, and the "fight" in Devil in Cell Block D happened after Lester had by chained up like Hannible Lecter for an unspecified amount of time and only aloud to eat liquids... its safe to say he wasn't at his fighting best either. Also remember that around his fight with Crossbones, even Cap had yet to beat him in a fight (he either is just about to do... or he might have just done it... I forget the exact timing).
Now I have to go to eat at my sisters new restaurant... a vegan restaurant... oh joy! And then finish some projects I lost last night when the power outage shutdown my work computer.
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Highlights are Batgirl's combination of moves that make her appear Metahuman. That works in her favor. Also that move reading thing she does. But that also, at least in my mind works, against her.
Bullseye has the ability to use anything as a weapon. Now Batgirl can dodge stuff well. Likely due to her move reading ability. She can see where someone is aiming and move accordingly.
So what happens when Bullseye does that crazy thing where he aims off and his weapons bounces around unpredictably and hits Batgirl? He's enough of a hand to hand fighter, that this could give him the win.
Of course, srankmissingnin didn't argue this way. Had he done that, I'd have given him the win. Spent too much time comparing DD and Elektra to Batgirl.
While Phil Spent more time focusing on Batgirl's abilities and strengths. based Upon Phil's argument, I have to give Batgirl the slight win.
(hypotetical discussion, and should not be taken into consideration for the battlezone)
That's of course assuming that Bullseye would go with that tactic from the start instead of trying to hit her directly, and that it would hit a speeding Batgirl, who has dodged bullets (even Sniper bullets) on multipled ocasions without even looking. Precision is one thing, but hitting somebody with Batgirl's abilities is another. Not only would she be able to see what Bullseye is thinking of doing due to her body reading, but due to Bullseye trying to hit her indirectly she would have a bigger amount of time to dodge Bullseye's attacks in the first place. Unless Batgirl is standing still, I certainly don't see her getting hit with such a tactic.
Thanks for voting. Cavalier and Digi are the ones remaining, and I recived an answer from Batdude who said he's up for vote too, and I think Srank would agree.
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And then finish some projects I lost last night when the power outage shutdown my work computer. 
