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Salthasha
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and one last question can the borg assimilate to the crushing of their internal organs or skull by force tk?

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Oh man! spacebattles would chew this debate out hardcore in moments... BUUUUT I'm not gonna play that card and just say that the Death Star wins, even without it's compliment of fighters and other craft.

#1: The turbolasers are not actual light beam lasers some are insinuating, they are particle beams that use tibana gas as their medium. Esentially making them DET (Direct Energy Transfer) weapons. And their range is considerably larger than most give credit for.

#2: the firepower of said turbolasers are considerable. Anyone ever heard of a Base Delta Zero? Basically it is a set of heavy turbolasers on a Star Destroyer reducing the surface of a livable world into slag in a few hours. And this has happened several times. Now, in total, a single Imperial class Star Destroyer has 8 twin barreled Heavy turbo laser batteries, the Death Star has hundreds of these all over it's surface. Now, given that the Cube has no narrow profile with which to reduce how much firepower it's going to be taking at any given direction, and considering that particle beams do not emit frequencies like what phasers, disruptors and torpedoes do, they are going to have a HELL of a time adapting to it.

#3: turbos arnt the only weapons a Death Star packs. Outside of the Super laser (and I will absolutely laugh my ass off at anyone who asserts that the Cube could tank the Super laser because it is a "laser"), we also have ion cannons, Proton torp launchers, and concussion missile batteries (Standard and Diamond Boron Missile varieties).


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Anyone ever heard of a Base Delta Zero?
You know there's an entire subforum here dedicated to Star Wars. So chances are, yeah.


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You know there's an entire subforum here dedicated to Star Wars. So chances are, yeah.




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Oh man! spacebattles would chew this debate out hardcore in moments... BUUUUT I'm not gonna play that card and just say that the Death Star wins, even without it's compliment of fighters and other craft.

#1: The turbolasers are not actual light beam lasers some are insinuating, they are particle beams that use tibana gas as their medium. Esentially making them DET (Direct Energy Transfer) weapons. And their range is considerably larger than most give credit for.

[QUOTE=14263757]Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
[B]#2: the firepower of said turbolasers are considerable. Anyone ever heard of a Base Delta Zero? Basically it is a set of heavy turbolasers on a Star Destroyer reducing the surface of a livable world into slag in a few hours.


Which is what Commander Riker said the Enterprise D could do to the surface of a planet, as well (could reduce the entire surface of a planet in a few hours). The shields of the Borg Cube could withstand those same phasers and not take any reduction in sturdiness, once adapted.


The Cube has more powerful weapons and a Tactical Cube is made specifically for battle.


The turbolasers would get 1 or 2 shots off and then the Cube would adapt and they would be useless. If they happened to destroy a single Cube or sphere, all the others cubes and spheres would adapt making the Turbolasers useless against the entire Borg forces.


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...they are going to have a HELL of a time adapting to it.


Not at all. It would be a cake-walk for the Borg to adapt to as similar power is output by phasers.


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Which is what Commander Riker said the Enterprise D could do to the surface of a planet, as well (could reduce the entire surface of a planet in a few hours). The shields of the Borg Cube could withstand those same phasers and not take any reduction in sturdiness, once adapted.


No, it was speculated upon, but never demonstrated. The one time we have where they ciome close is during The Die Is Cast, and all we get to see is a brown splotch. Wityh a BDZ, it is the proccess of making the planet uninhabitable, and rendering all accessible natural recourses kaput. This is why they literally melt the surface of a planet down to it's mantle, efectivelky pasting the upper crust entirely.

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The Cube has more powerful weapons and a Tactical Cube is made specifically for battle.


We are not talking about a tactical Cube here, and the one Tactical Cube we have seen in all of Star trek has demonstrated precisely nothing more than an ordinary Assimilation Cube.

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The turbolasers would get 1 or 2 shots off and then the Cube would adapt and they would be useless. If they happened to destroy a single Cube or sphere, all the others cubes and spheres would adapt making the Turbolasers useless against the entire Borg forces.


Nope. borg adaption technology is based on frequency adaption, not tanking. You can't adapt to the frequency of a turbo laser, because it doesn't work based on frequencies, Charged Particle beams are not frequency based.

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Not at all. It would be a cake-walk for the Borg to adapt to as similar power is output by phasers.


Proof? See above.


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No, it was speculated upon, but never demonstrated.



No, that's not speculation. That was a statement of fact about Starfleet phasers which had been in existence for over 2 centuries from a highly intelligent and educated Starfleet officer. They later used toned down and rephased phasers to drill holes into the crust of another planet.

Also, The Original Series pilot, The Cage, it was stated that 23rd Century Technology phasers, on the Enterprise, were enough to vaporize an entire continent.

And thus ends your attempts to marginalize Star Trek Tech.




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We are not talking about a tactical Cube here, and the one Tactical Cube we have seen in all of Star trek has demonstrated precisely nothing more than an ordinary Assimilation Cube.


The OP didn't say what type of Cube. I'll choose to use a Tactical Cube. smile

I'll pretend the Death Star used is the incomplete one. big grin


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Nope. borg adaption technology is based on frequency adaption, not tanking.


Wrong: it is based on a myriad of factors one of which is frequency.


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You can't adapt to the frequency of a turbo laser, because it doesn't work based on frequencies, Charged Particle beams are not frequency based.


Yeah, the Borg of never adapted to particle beams. no expression



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Proof? See above.


Already provided but you had to ignore quite a bit of it to ask for proof, here. See all of my posts.


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LoL, the "Borg can't adapt to turbolasers" nonsense again. When there's far more indicating that they can.

Phasers are particle weapons. Disruptors are particle weapons.

Phaser cannons as seen on a Defiant Class ship fire bolts(burst); not beams, which are extremely similar to turbolasers.

All of which the Borg have show the capacity to adapt to.


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death star for the win

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The borg won't even be able to assimilate, If it could destroy a planet, It can destroy a large shielded cube. Honestly, I don't get it. How could the borg resist? In this case.. Resistance IS futile.

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They would simply dodge the superlaser.


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If the main death star weapon got a hit it would be over. Given how unlikely this is then nothing else on the death star weapon compliment wouldn't make a dent in the cube. The argument that the cube couldn't adapt to turbolasers cos they use tibana gas particle weapons and the Borg have never came across particle weapons is utterly stupid, desperate and borne of ignorance. A 5 second Google search comes up with this

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Particle_weapon

The Borg will do their usual. Analyse the death star shields. Adapt. Beam through them. Assimilate storm troopers and from there it's simply a matter of time before they take over everything and everyone on it.


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very nice information

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Death star takes this.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Borg can't adapt to Kinetic weaponry, can they? SW projectiles are shooting plasma, which isn't pure energy like Phasers. Even then they also have Mass driver cannons, the Imperials.


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Answered that all of 3 posts ago.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Borg can't adapt to Kinetic weaponry, can they? SW projectiles are shooting plasma, which isn't pure energy like Phasers. Even then they also have Mass driver cannons, the Imperials.


You're wrong.


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Not only is he wrong, he's also not right.


Applying simply maths, that makes his twice the terrible person.


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