Kind of a faulty analogy. The innocents of 9/11 weren't inside a giant super-weapon that destroys planets. They were attacked without cause or blame and they're deaths weren't necessary or in service to a higher good. They weren't an immediate threat to anyone lie the Death Star was.
The innocent people on the Death Star however, very much were collateral damage. There was simply no feasible way to get them off the Death Star and destroy it at the same time. Should Luke have waited for them to vacate the premises before attacking it? Well he seriously didn't have that luxury now did he?
Hmm....the Empire as a whole and what it stood for was portrayed as completely evil. And the Rebel Alliance and their aim for a democratic Republic was portrayed as completely good.
I agree that nobody was innocent on the Death Star, but Impediment has a point that the vast majority of them may not have been morally depraved the core even though the SW Universe portrays them as such.
Unless Lucas intended everyone on the Death Star to be analogous to Schutzstaffel, then I think the moral argument Impediment and I had is valid.
It reminds me of that extended scene from the LOTR:TT, where Faramir comments on the dead Haradrim soldier:
"The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. You wonder what his name is, where he came from. And if he was really evil at heart. What lies or threats led him on this long march from home. If he would not rather have stayed there ... in peace. War will make corpses of us all."
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Re: Star Wars will lose it's relevancy in our lifetime
Can't agree, many Star Wars elements from the OT are still talked about a lot in reference to the genre. Nothing has really competed with Star Wars except for Star Trek and its a give and take situation with those two. SW owns the EU and perhaps the quality of the movies as well as cartoons/animations/games while ST owns the quantity of movies and the tv programme arena.
Who is going to forget the characters? I won't go into them all but I hardly think that they can be forgotten so easily, with the EU continuing their stories perfectly well. Many still have what you could call 'iconic' status with readily identifiable names and looks.
For weapons think of the lightsaber, a weapon that's still one of the coolest fictional weapons out there - can't think of a sci-fi weapon of its type that puts that into the background. That could be also because swords are more elegant and a perfectly choreographed swordfight can be mesmerising and memorable but even though 'laser swords' have been done in other things (mainly books) I think its still more commonly associated with SW. I'll agree that blasters are bit generic and the only other weapon I can think of is the Thermal Detonator (how powerful are these anyway?) but the lightsaber still rules.
Planets, again, readily identifiable but even more so are the ships; Millenium Falcon, X-Wing, TIE Fighter, Star Destroyer, the Death Star etc. Nothing has replaced these and nothing probably will. Where's the competition? Again you have the ships from Star Trek, they are prominent and they have just as many types and classes of ships that SW has explored through the EU and that hasn't put SW in the shade.
Scenes and lines? No way, as long as someone watches them from any available dvd and like them they will continue to be memorable. Because of the nature of generational catching up there is always going to be scenes or twists that are spoiled but they are spoiled because they are popular and continuously referenced.
Phew, okay Lucas, wheres my cheque for all that loyalty and publicity?
STAR WARS owns the realm of EU? Are you serious?? Star Trek has done an INCREDIBLE job of maintaining it's continuity (aside from the recent timeline change which still works) while the EU in Star Wars is immensely disjointed. I would say however that Star Wars EU is vastly more entertaining than Star Trek EU.
You remembered that it was boring. That's a start.
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yeah man those cooks and outsourced janitors on the death star were pure evil!
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i think the reason nobody made a seperate thread is because nobody really cares whether the locust-men were good or evil. thats what happens when a story lacks compelling villains and replaces them with swarms of cgi cartoons.
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actually thats nothing even remotely related to cgi cartoons
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Aug 17th, 2011 06:03 PM
