I provided proof a long time ago. Me and you have also went over this and it got tiresome. Pr...we discussed this a while back via PM, can't believe you forgot this.
Post Crisis Superman is not as tough as the Silver Age one but he's still survived a star going nova and he held a black hole with his bare hands without being sucked into it. There's nothing anyone in Dragon Ball could do to actually hurt him plus he's also massively stronger and faster than them.
The black hole was contained and the sun that went nova was a yellow sun. To think that a DBZ character is incapable of koing Superman is INSANE. Is Superman powerful...he sure the hell is but he ISN'T Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, powerful.
A casual wave of his hands a couple of hundreds of times per second with nuclear blast following these should outright drop Superman. You better not come to me saying that it takes much more because I promise I will use that argument against you (in the Comic vs forum). Or his combat speed alone throwing numerous of high end class 100 punches should suffice as well. Superman isnt use to fighting someone like Goku, someone that CONSISTENTLY use his speed during combat with a combination of martial art, blast, and super strength.
Goku would run through 90% of Superman Rogue or people that has given Superman trouble. This isn't debatable at all.
Hundreds of times per second? I'd love to see you quantify that and prove it. Superman can dodge lasers and other projectiles if he's using his speed. He can even perform the vaunted afterimage trick and phase through shit at his absolute best.
You can't prove he's stronger than Superman, more durable, smarter, faster, or anything else outside of boasting greater energy output and skill in terms of hand to hand.
Goku can't beat Superman. Accept it and move on with some dignity.
So Superman can dodge blasts that has made it to the moon in seconds? If so, provide proof. Cell absorbed an entire city worth of people in some seconds...and this was cell at his first form...yes, Goku can perform what I've said.
Goku fight against Frieza and what he went through and survived is proof enough to me.
I agree, Superman probably could dodge lasers...to bad Goku blasts were faster. Do you remember during the Frieza Saga when Frieza went to his final form? Frieza was shooting blasts from his hands that were unseen by Saiyan eye. The blasts were basically invisible. That's faster than any laser imo and Goku was dodging these same blasts with ease.
Strength...I agree, Supermans lifting fts are better. Goku doesn't go around lifting buildings and moving tanks...its unanime like. Goku punching fts are more impressive which is the key objective in this fight.
Durability...Superman has some nice space cheese fts but his average isn't tanking what Goku can dish out. Nappa could damage him badly just by lifting his two fingers and to say otherwise is being insane. Roshi can hurt him as well. Goku has the potential to kill him if it came to it (even though he won't do it). To say that Goku attacks won't work Superman is ignoring both character history.
Speed...like I've said before...Superman never faced anything that fights like Goku. He would get overwhelmed and would have to change his entire way of fighting in order to even dream about landing a glancing blow on Goku. Superman just doesn't fight like Goku. Hell, Krillin and Roshi AT THEIR WEAKEST, performed an entire martial arts tourney in less than a second. Superman is good but he ain't that good. You would have to find some of Superman BEST speed fts in order for someone sane to think he could stand up to Goku and even then its debatable. Superman being lightning fast and catching bullets is things Goku was doing as a child. Like I've stated...Superman is good but Goku is on another level.
Power output...this isn't even debatable.
Superman have no advantages. The only one he truly have is lifting fts but that isn't enough. The only time we truly seen Goku cut loose was during the time he was on planet Ki and they laid WASTE to that planet.
Professional writers has also made this fight and Superman got one shotted.
No ignorance at all. For me to believe Goku wouldn't outright STOMP Gladiator, I would have to take his highest fts and use it as something relevant in a fight against Goku (which would be him tanking a Solar System destroying blast). In order for me to believe that Gladiator can stomp Superman or Thor, I would have to take his highest showings to face value. On average, it ain't happening just like on average, Superman isnt tanking or withstanding what Goku can dish out in some seconds.
Goku as a kid at the age of 7 was dishing and walking around with the power to destroy moons. Goku in his teens was a planetary level threat...Goku as an adult was matching a being that was destroying planets with his index finger (at .025% of his power) and this was a weaker form of Goku. Goku at his prime...no telling what he was capable of. Weaker characters were lifting their hands, creating blasts that were leveling continents with a blast radius that was seen on the outskirt of space.
With all the power Superman, Thor, Gladiator, Hulk, and whoever else have...they can't win this. You would have to use them at the peak of their performance to even suggest they stand a chance.
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