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What are your sources? You have to prove it.
There is a difference between the, "crude matter" that people are made of, and their Force signature. He feeds on the Force that they are a part of, not made of.
Nope, I played that game several times, he never ate an attack that was launched at him via the Force. He can sever people from the Force in such a way that they die, and feed off of their agony (its a known technique multiple dark siders use, such as Bane and Palpatine (the feeding off the agony, not the severing)) but he can't absorb the Force energy from an attack because he was never shown to do so, not even hinted at, or implied. "Because I say so" is not a valid debating tactic.
I said no such thing. I've only claimed that no source says Nihilus was on the planet at detention and that it is equally feasible that his ship crashed there. And no canon source has claimed he was on the planet.
Also, when someone experiences millions of deaths, putting up defenses against anything is the last thing they would think off.
Also, there is no Force wound concept outside KOTTOR. There are many examples of Force users suffering far greater disturbances in the Force. Like Kyp suffering death of his brother and entire Karrida. Or Brakiss and Kueller feeling simultaneous death of entire planet population they were on. Or Itor annihilation by Yuuzhan Vong. And many other examples.
Also, there is nothing to suggest that Krayt's Force drain sucked. At the same time there is nothing suggesting that drain can't be resisted. Both Luke and Cade had no problem with that, when encountering Krayt.
You're still the one claiming he wasn't on the planet when the war ended, when every other source I've seen says otherwise.
What do you know that they don't?
He pulls it out of people - but the Force is what he's after - he's a Wound in the Force itself - seeking out all Force energy to consume.
Force attacks like lightning and destruction can be absorbed conventionally anyway, and he seeks Force energy, period, and that is what Force attacks are made of.
Okay - back.
Yep, she's not a Force Wound, so she's screwed.
Next.
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
You serious? The force was leaking into the void not the Basal.
"Tiny threads of the Force leaked into it as insects and birds, bats and bugs were pulled into it."
"It" clearly refers to the block hole as it's sucking up animals.
Read the whole sentence next time please.
Quit using straw mans. I never once claimed that he wasn't on the planet during detention. I've only said that no source stated that he was. And if every source claims he was on the planet post a quote from one.
I'll believe it once you show an example of him doing it.
How about you tell me why he's in the machine, if he doesn't need it to manipulate a singularity.
If that's the case, he and Kyp can just fly around in any ship and destroy the Vong that way.
But, surprise, surprise, they capture the Vong ships designed to manipulate singularities.
Curious, no?
How about you use your noggin for a change?
Just like I'll believe you about Nihilus not being on Malachor, when you can show me proof of it.
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
Last edited by Battlemaster on Jul 6th, 2012 at 12:54 AM
You talking about the Star Destroyer that Luke's sitting in... Why would that make a difference?
Hmm... Probably because it takes Luke a massive amount of effort to do so. The text notes that he is exhausted.
Good thing I didn't claim that. Rather I said I've seen no source stating such and, despite your claims that numerous sources say so, you've presented no canon evidence that he was. Nor have you provided any for Nihilus eating force attacks.
I'm talking about the Dovin Basal's Luke needs to manipulate singularities.
Hmm... probably because only a Dovin Basal can do it - which is why they used them.
You're not claiming that?
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
Please. Even one of the Forum's greatest Debators knew Luke was using a Dovin Basal.
I'm asking for One source that says he wasn't.
So far, I only have you to go on - and I don't think all the other sources on Google are wrong, and you're magically right.
You do know how to type into the Google search bar, right?
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
And in this case he is wrong. But if you wish to treat his opinion as canon fact, that's fine by me. But alas, then we must then do this with everything he states.
Why should I prove that he isn't? I never said he wasn't on the planet during detention, only that no source confirms such. Furthermore, Google is not a canon source.
Last edited by ares834 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 01:46 AM
Cade had both near-complete Jedi training, plus months of Sith training, plus a lot of bounty hunter experience. And like Luke, he picked up skill really fast. He started out the series rusty, but was fighting on the level of Jedi masters in no-time.
And, I should note, Cade never was his match in combat and never beat him in a duel. Cade was able to put up a fight in the final battle (after Cade had been fighting Sith and Jedi and Imperial Knights for something like two years strait), but even then Krayt literally did kill him in the fight and if it wasn't for Krayt healing him so he could turn him, that would've been it, game over, Krayt win. The first time they fought, the only reason Cade even escaped was because Krayt was shot in the back.
The only person in the series who was really able to go power-to-power with Krayt was Celeste Morne, a KotoR era Jedi Master who was empowered by Karness Muur, one of the original Hundred Year's Darkness Sith Lords (and I'll note- Morne was still solidly outmatched before Muur took the driver's seat).
Darth Wyyrlok, Krayt's second (and slayer of ancient sith Darth Andeddu), put up some fight too, but was beaten at his own speciality.
I mean, Krayt's 80 years older by the time of his series than when he helped Luke, but still, guy's a badass. Even before he got any Sith training, only his Jedi skills, he was a near-match for Obi-wan.
Oh yea, and at one point he solo'd a Vong warship, unarmed Broke free from restraints, killed all the Vong, escaped as it blew up.
Registered: May 2010
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Battlemaster, you really, really should learn how to debate. You haven't brought a single piece of proof at all. Not even incorrect proof. And you apparently jump to conclusions and use out-of-context quotes. Congrats.
As a famous character once said (paraphrased to be a direct address), "Its like you have the monk class feature that allows you to jump as far as you want, but for you it only applies to conclusions."
Gideon made a convincing case for the quote to be hyperbolic, but UnuThul was utterly impotent against Luke in this scenario. And when you consider that he had the entire Force potential of the Colony to draw upon (I believe the numbers provided by Borbarad and others put those to be in the millions or billions), the quote is renewed with a profound sense of literalism.
Jul 6th, 2012 12:04 AM
Broke free from restraints, killed all the Vong, escaped as it blew up.
