Well, as you have mentioned a time or two, just because one character is able to do one thing doesn't mean another can replicate it.
Additionally, the opening post describes Vitiate as the one that appears in Revan. None of his feats against the Hero of Tython really apply unless they were depicted in that book.
The idea that Vitiate can move as fast as the Jedi Masters, let alone the Emperor, is naked speculation IMHO.
What exactly did the B-Team react to? The only one who showed any kind of reaction was Kit Fisto.
That being said I find it difficult to believe someone with the Sith Emperor's powers and mastery would get blitzed by Sidious. After all he didn't blitz Mace Windu. Nor did Yoda (at least Sidious's equal in speed) blitz Count Dooku.
I'm sure Sidious is far superior to the Sith Emperor in a Saber fight. But speed blitz him? I highly doubt it.
Neph, how come you did not respond to my post in the "DE Sidious and Lord Vitiate" thread? I want some attention too.
@Tempest - did you purposely move the debate that was started in the "DE Sidious and Lord Vitiate" thread to this one, or did you just accidently paste your argument here?
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
Purposely. The previous thread was becoming increasingly Vitiate vs. Sidious rather than Vitiate and Sidious. I told jadams3928 that the topic was complex enough not to succumb to tangents and then I started to do the same thing with Nai and Neph.
It was more appropriate here.
The Emperor absolutely stands a chance. In fact, I think he'd win a solid majority!
Vitiate, on the other hand, would probably lose. How often and to what degree is open to discussion and it really depends on how generous the debaters in question want to be.
My personal thoughts on the matter may very well differ from what I post on the subject, but since Neph wasn't acting especially reasonable in our previous discussion, I don't see why those in the other camp should.
I like how some infer than Vitiate is almost unstoppable yet one Knight was more than enough to lock his soul away.
That worked wonders for every Jedi he faced. I don't even think he killed a Jedi in the entire game. Wow he controlled random Jedi who had no idea he had those powers. Sids is way above anyone in TOR's league.
What makes you think Sids can't do it in half the time? Vitiate has no evidence of high level combat.
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I like how this sub-forum has managed to stay alive all these years, despite pretty much all the threads on the first three pages being duplicates of older threads.
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If he can't then his power and force mastery is seriously over rated.
One gains speed and reaction through a good connection to the force. Which is either from being naturally strong in the force or by having a great mastery of it.
Vitiate clearly has both. The only way Sidious is Saber blitzing him is if he hasn't ever developed his Saber skills.
The clone body, due to not being able to sustain such power, is undergoing continues deteriorate. decay.
With the kind of guy Sidious is up against:
As they drew closer to the throne room, Revan's thoughts drifted back to his last confrontation with the Emperor. In all his battles, he had never faced an enemy with that kind of power. The dark side had radiated from him in palpable waves, his physical shell barely able to contain the crackling energy. (SWTOR Revan)
- Some moments are to be expected in this duel, in which no amount of protective measures will be sufficient to shield the clone body from extreme external abuse and the already internally stressed and deteriorating body is likely to easily end up getting destroyed in the process.
Try to understand that Star Wars authors aren't stupid. No matter how powerful a character is introduced, he or she would still likely have weaknesses that can be exploited. Read more below.
Force push doesn't damages an opponent unless the opponent hits an object or something in the process.
And Palpatine clones aren't as durable as you pointed out here. A clone body would last a year maximum with its durability reaching zero point by the end of the period. The internal decay would begin from day 1.
The very reason that Palpatine's clone bodies deteriorated was due to getting ravaged by powerful dark side energies from within, which were not even channeled on them offensively. Such powerful dark side energies, if channeled directly on these bodies, would absolutely shatter them.
No. I try to maintain balance.
I like how some infer that Sidious is almost unstoppable yet (Pre-NJO) Luke disarmed him, and with help form Leia; both cut him off from the Force.
Genius! Vitiate purged an entire Dark Council with that kind of power in single blow. It may sound funny to you in comments but it is one of the most potent display of Force usage in history.
These are petty things for him. He had lot of individuals under his command who did this job.
Random Jedi?
Those were not fodders but included prominent individuals of the Order. Those 3 Jedi Masters were accompanied by Hero of Tython himself, who alone seems to be among the greatest warriors in Star Wars history and not just the Jedi Order.
Now should I remind you what happened to Sidious whem he faced a Jedi Strike Team? You probably know the answer.
You are clueless of what you are talking about, kid.
First learn something about Vitiate and then come back and talk.
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