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She's right about that. In the comics the Superman stories aren't dark, they're not like Batman's. And the bright color scheme and design of his suit makes it difficult to incorporate deep emotional realism needed to make the most off of a dark setting.


You quoted me out of context without reading what I wrote.
I said "It shows a vulnerable, perhaps afraid and unsure man, even with all his power. He allows himself to be subject to the law, taken into custody by the military. "

I mean the colors of the movie have nothing to do with the Deep emotions that Clark/Kal-El is obviously feeling in the movie.

Seeming lost in the movie, down, not sure what to do, asking both of his fathers questions for guidance.

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Zack Snyder understands the importance of Superman's messianic rule in Comic Dom. He understands the burden of making The Man of Steel, the one he creates, a bigger and better hero than all the rest in cinema right now.

I don't know if he can. I hope so.


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Zack Snyder understands the importance of Superman's messianic rule in Comic Dom. He understands the burden of making The Man of Steel, the one he creates, a bigger and better hero than all the rest in cinema right now.

I don't know if he can. I hope so.


I am liking what I am reading and seeing so far for interviews with Shannon, Nolan, Crow and such.

I think the movie is in good hands with the two of them. I can't think of two people better suited to make this movie then them.

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Call me an outcast but I've said it before and I'll say it again, Nolan's style gives me a migrane. At least Snyder's Hubris Man Style gives me a Suped-up Larger Than Life Feeling.

This is a Snyder Style Film, and Thank God for That. I don't believe Nolan deserves any mention other than providing a larger budget for Snyder to express His style with.


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Call me an outcast but I've said it before and I'll say it again, Nolan's style gives me a migrane. At least Snyder's Hubris Man Style gives me a Suped-up Larger Than Life Feeling.

This is a Snyder Style Film, and Thank God for That. I don't believe Nolan deserves any mention other than providing a larger budget for Snyder to express His style with.


Agreed, im glad Nolan footed the bill and gave the direction to Zach.

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Honestly, Zack Snyder could bring something pretty awesome that we haven't seen before. His characters have been a combination of Manly and Intelligent, between Leonidas' courage and Ozymandias' cool and calculating manipulations. I think Zack Snyder could create one heck of a Man of Steel. However, I just don't fricken trust the writer, from Nolan's crew, I forget his name but he wrote the screenplay for both Inception and the TDK series. So the Man of Steel might be lacking that BAWZ Factor.

That my friends, is why I'm not giving this film any more than my hope. Because Nolan had to sink his fangs into it.

It all depends how much leeway he gives Snyder for the screenplay, if Goyer has too much influence Superman won't have any uberhuman Leonidas or super-genius Ozymandias elements to him, he'll just be Batman, an averagely intelligent and powerful Superman, not too empowering story-wise.


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David S Goyer's screenplay was very very very irritating in TDK and TDKR. It was something about the way the characters carried out their banter, what they said, how they interacted...it was just so bland, so yawn.

He's going to run this screenplay?

Oh well.

The one thing I couldn't agree more on with this girl is the fact that Cavill is just wayy too ****ing introverted. His voice is so dark, and Superman is supposed to be Extroverted, he's supposed to be outspoken and his voice is supposed to sound passionate.

That's why Christopher Reeves' depiction lit of the silver screen in the 70s and 80s, he was such a boy scout. Take a look at this scene, "You diseased maniac, I'll mold this box into your prison bars."



Cavill by comparison just doesn't have the emotional range geared toward that Superman. From hitting on Louis the way he does, to getting pissed the way he does.





There will never be another Christopher Reeves, I think imitating him like Returns is preferable to rebooting him.

Too much fricken rebooting, every minute it seems like.


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Tbh I rather watch a dark version more adult oriented superman than the old silly movies of the past.

They had their place on that time culture, but if they will try the same approach, they will kill the movie again like they did in returns.


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Tbh I rather watch a dark version more adult oriented superman than the old silly movies of the past.

They had their place on that time culture, but if they will try the same approach, they will kill the movie again like they did in returns.
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Leave the Donner films legacy alone.

I cannot even understand how someone dare say something like imitating Reeves Superman after Superman Returns.

Superman was the one franchise/character that desperately needed a reboot.


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Leave the Donner films legacy alone.

I cannot even understand how someone dare say something like imitating Reeves Superman after Superman Returns.

Superman was the one franchise/character that desperately needed a reboot.


Amen to that


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David S Goyer's screenplay was very very very irritating in TDK and TDKR. It was something about the way the characters carried out their banter, what they said, how they interacted...it was just so bland, so yawn.

He's going to run this screenplay?

Oh well.

The one thing I couldn't agree more on with this girl is the fact that Cavill is just wayy too ****ing introverted. His voice is so dark, and Superman is supposed to be Extroverted, he's supposed to be outspoken and his voice is supposed to sound passionate.

That's why Christopher Reeves' depiction lit of the silver screen in the 70s and 80s, he was such a boy scout. Take a look at this scene, "You diseased maniac, I'll mold this box into your prison bars."



Cavill by comparison just doesn't have the emotional range geared toward that Superman. From hitting on Louis the way he does, to getting pissed the way he does.





There will never be another Christopher Reeves, I think imitating him like Returns is preferable to rebooting him.

Too much fricken rebooting, every minute it seems like.


So you think they should just leave Superman alone and never make another movie?

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Tbh I rather watch a dark version more adult oriented superman than the old silly movies of the past.

They had their place on that time culture, but if they will try the same approach, they will kill the movie again like they did in returns.


Absolutely, its time for a new Superman, there is only so many times you can watch the old superman movies. I mean they are good but its not like watching the original Star Wars. I can watch those any time any day of the week. The first Superman movies..eh not so much.

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Superman can (and has) had deep emotional realism without having a dark setting.

I honestly don't think that wanting to fit in is a realistic response to being a god.

And if it's not that then it's about not being strong enough, which is rather off-putting considering the circumstances. It's like watching a teen crying during her sweet sixteen because she got a 100,000 dollar car rather than the 150,000 dollar car she wanted.

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Tbh I rather watch a dark version more adult oriented superman than the old silly movies of the past.

They had their place on that time culture, but if they will try the same approach, they will kill the movie again like they did in returns.
Chris Reeve did a great job, and I especially loved Superman 2. But yeah, I want a Superman movie with the same sense of realism as, say, the Bale Batman films. This doesn't necessarily mean 'dark', just less 'comic booky'. For a young man to realize he is godlike, and what that means in terms of his responsibilities and place in the world: this can be chock full of heaviosity, especially since (I think it's safe to say) most Superman fans have imagined, at least once, what they would do with all that power.


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But yeah, I want a Superman movie with the same sense of realism as, say, the Bale Batman films.

The problem with that is that Superman is the least believable superhero in the comic industry whereas Batman is among the most believable.

Wonder Woman might be a demigoddess made from clay, but at least that is loosely rooted in mythology and can easily be sorted out from a Sci-Fi perspective.

Superman on the other hand is supposed to be scientific. Yet the vast majority of his superpowers are extremely difficult to even hand-wave. And then we have powers like his X-ray Vision that has nothing to do with X-rays. And don't get me started on the supposed differences in red- and yellow sunlight, and Kryptonite.

The point is that Superman is best written when he's kicking ass and doing the unbelievable, not when he makes people think.

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The point is that Superman is best written when he's kicking ass and doing the unbelievable, not when he makes people think.
I say both can be done.


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The problem with that is that Superman is the least believable superhero in the comic industry whereas Batman is among the most believable.

Wonder Woman might be a demigoddess made from clay, but at least that is loosely rooted in mythology and can easily be sorted out from a Sci-Fi perspective.

Superman on the other hand is supposed to be scientific. Yet the vast majority of his superpowers are extremely difficult to even hand-wave. And then we have powers like his X-ray Vision that has nothing to do with X-rays. And don't get me started on the supposed differences in red- and yellow sunlight, and Kryptonite.

The point is that Superman is best written when he's kicking ass and doing the unbelievable, not when he makes people think.


Superman used to be scientific. He hasn't been that way since the 80s though, tbh.

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I honestly don't think that wanting to fit in is a realistic response to being a god.

And if it's not that then it's about not being strong enough, which is rather off-putting considering the circumstances. It's like watching a teen crying during her sweet sixteen because she got a 100,000 dollar car rather than the 150,000 dollar car she wanted.


Superman doesn't consider himself a god, though, which is the point. His mentality is that of a farmboy who grew up living off the land that just wants to help people. Everyone else might see him as a god, but he refuses to do the same.

Superman has real problems just like a lot of people. There's no petulance involved.

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And no, a "Nolanised" Superman would be shit, imo.


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Chris Reeve did a great job, and I especially loved Superman 2. But yeah, I want a Superman movie with the same sense of realism as, say, the Bale Batman films. This doesn't necessarily mean 'dark', just less 'comic booky'. For a young man to realize he is godlike, and what that means in terms of his responsibilities and place in the world: this can be chock full of heaviosity, especially since (I think it's safe to say) most Superman fans have imagined, at least once, what they would do with all that power.


The Batman movies are just as unreal as a superman movie. Never in a million years will we have a billionaire playboy running around the city with high tech weapons. They try to make you believe hey its possible when its really not.

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Superman used to be scientific. He hasn't been that way since the 80s though, tbh.



Superman doesn't consider himself a god, though, which is the point. His mentality is that of a farmboy who grew up living off the land that just wants to help people. Everyone else might see him as a god, but he refuses to do the same.

Superman has real problems just like a lot of people. There's no petulance involved.

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And no, a "Nolanised" Superman would be shit, imo.


Nice wording.

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Superman doesn't consider himself a god, though, which is the point. His mentality is that of a farmboy who grew up living off the land that just wants to help people. Everyone else might see him as a god, but he refuses to do the same.

Superman has real problems just like a lot of people. There's no petulance involved.

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And no, a "Nolanised" Superman would be shit, imo.


This this this this and this.

Even in the trailer we see him sacrificing his secret, putting his place as an accepted normal human being at risk by saving a bus full of children. We see him working a labor job as lethal as lumberjacking and trucking through ice. Deadliest catch esque. We see him letting the military cuff him even though he could snap the cuffs and fly away and dodge or tank anything they throw at him. He could kill so many thousands of men. He doesn't even break the cuffs to surrender by choice but unchained, he just leaves them on - that to me shows a conflicted conscious. "Would it be inhuman, would it be not right to break the cuffs because I can even if I mean them no harm?"

Finally, unlike Batman, who pretends to be superior through "theatricality and deception"; Superman actually is superior. He does the polar opposite of Bruce, and hides it as Kent.

His main problem is that he wants to fit in, but at the same time he is superior in every physiological, perceptual, and cognitive aspect by thousands of years. Yet he sees the potential threat to 'his kind', and holding in his ability to save them greatly affects him.

This has been shown in the trailers, and it was a fact of the original film.

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