I wasn't aware that Cap ever missed and as this is a gun fight I really don't see how Khan being smarter is going to help.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
He seemed to mind them well enough to spot and take out a hidden sniper.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Although I agree that Cap is stronger, I actually believe that Khan is a better h2h fighter. You have to remember that Cap didn't exactly have extensive fight training, or at least if he did then it was for a very brief period of time.
Khan on the other hand seems to have grown up as a fighter, trained both mentally and physically. We also have to consider that Khan is a lot more brutal, and wouldn't hesitate to break Cap's bones and play dirty.
So....
1. Strength - Cap
2. H2H - Khan
3. Guns - could go either way, depends I guess on who hits first, but I'm leaning a bit towards Khan here. Khan has the bigger gun, but then it showed he could get knocked out by a small gun. Still, that big gun of his was destroying everything it hit and he was standing in the middle of dozens of Klingons without getting hit. Cap had trouble in a firefight with a single guy on the hellicarrier.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Cap took hits from guys that dented steel and Loki without having any bones broken.
Also, I gave them both the energy rifles from Avengers, so I'm not sure where you got the idea that Khan's rifle was more powerful.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Oh sorry, I missed that part about the guns. In any case, Khan still wins in a gun fight. Like I said, he was standing in the open against a dozen or so Klingons and wasn't getting hit. Cap had trouble with one soldier in the hellicarrier.
Good point about Cap taking hits from Loki. Guess Khan won't be breaking his bones then. Still believe Khan's the better h2h fighter though. Cap didn't exactly get extensive h2h training whereas Khan seems to have been raised as a fighter, both mentally and physically.
Also, as far as being brutal goes, in the scene where Cap is giving orders to the cops, he cuts off the arm of one of the attacking aliens.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Him not being hit while standing in the open is proof that the Klingon's have bad aim, not that he's untouchable.
We saw Cap take on and beat groups of people/aliens several times, does Khan have any feats of beating groups of people in HTH?
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Whether you blame the Klingon's aim or attribute it to Khan's skill in evasive maneuvers in a firefight, it's still a far better feat than any gun fighting feat that Cap has. Unless you can cite an example where Cap was outnumbered, out in the open, no shield to hide behind, and still exterminated his enemies. Lets face it, Cap's main weapon is a shield. Khan's main weapon is a gun. If it was a melee fight with melee weapons I'd give the advantage to Cap. A gun fight, and I give the advantage to Khan. Besides, the Chitauri and Hydra soldiers had just as bad (if not worse) aim than the Klingons.
As for fighting multiple opponents, again Khan beat up a bunch of klingons in h2h, klingons who are a lot stronger than humans. Cap beat up humans in hydra gear and chitauri, and basing from how easily Hawkeye and BW were taking out chitauri I don't believe they're really that much stronger than humans.
Khan also took on a skilled opponent (Spock) who has about 3x the strength of a human. Khan beat the sh!t out of Spock. The only skilled opponents Cap took on was Red Skull - whom he barely defeated, and Loki - whom he lost against.
Khan just has better feats for h2h and gun fights. Cap has better strength feats. Then again, Khan did overpower Klingons and a Vulcan, so that gives us a pretty good strength feat. And he allowed Kirk to pummel him as much as he wanted and he didn't even flinch. Yeah, Cap's not beating him in a fight.
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Except Khan's HTH feats aren't better, neither the Klingon's or Spock have any impressive HTH feats so they are in the same boat as Hydra and the aliens. Not that it matters as Cap has a rather large durability advantage. that combined with his strength advantage means he'd win a HTh fight.
As for guns, both of them have shown the ability to hit their targets, however Cap is durable enough that it'll take more than one shot. so Khan can win, but he's got no margin for error.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
I'm sorry, but how exactly are Khan's h2h feats not better? Vulcans are about 3x stronger than humans and Klingons are even stronger than Vulcans. So taking on multiple Klingons IS a better feat than taking on multiple hydra (humans) or chitauri (as strong as humans). Vulcans are also trained in their ancient martial arts. Spock was a known h2h expert. How is beating up Spock not a good h2h feat? What exactly has Cap done that makes you think he has better feats than this? Cap beat up a bunch of Hydra and Chitauri, both weaker than Klingons and Vulcans. Cap barely beat Red Skull and he lost to Loki.
As for guns, the guy who gets the first hit wins. Cap can maybe survive getting hit once but he's going to get knocked down by that shot and will take time to get up (no Thor to help him out this time). Khan can then just keep shooting him till he's dead. It will boil down to who hits who first, and in this case, Khan has proven himself to be harder to hit. If you disagree, please give me an instance where Cap has shown to be harder to hit WITHOUT a shield.
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What feats of strength and durability did NuSpock or those Klingons have?
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
So you're planning to completely disregard everything that has been proven in previous Star Trek movies? When talking in the movie vs. forum, I'm assuming that all movies of a particular character are taken into account as long as they're in the same continuity. In this case, the feats of Spock and Klingons from other Star Trek movies count.
And before you redirect me with another question, how bout you first provide proof or at least a reason why you believe that a.) Cap is a superior fighter and b.) Cap being a better gunslinger.
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