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Bane basically did a full body tutaminis on a planetary scale in Path of Destruction when he channelled the Brotherhood's power and ravaged the planet with it.


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No, mastery refers to how well you can wield it in general. Including how much you can actually unleash.

You do know that you're claiming what I am with different words, yes?

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What the ****? You're the one who brought up Revan using Tutaminis as proof that he's better at TK than Bane. roll eyes (sarcastic)

No, I brought up the quote from the Encyclopedia as it demonstrates Revan's raw power. I never once mentioned Tutaminis.

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This point is ridiculous anyway since Revan is not more powerful than Bane.

His feats suggest otherwise.

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And if raw Force strength always determined telekinetic prowess, then Anakin's TK should eclipse Yoda's.

Yoda's raw Force strength exceeds Anakin, though, so that comparison doesn't really work.


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Energy absorption may require a great deal of raw power, but that doesn't necessarily mean one who hasn't displayed absorption lacks the raw power to perform it, unless we are to assume that Revan's raw power exceeds every individual who hasn't shown proficiency with absorption. I can see that being the case if the individual in question has no extreme displays of raw power in any other area, but in Bane's case, he does.


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Energy absorption may require a great deal of raw power, but that doesn't necessarily mean one who hasn't displayed absorption lacks the raw power to perform it, unless we are to assume that Revan's raw power exceeds every individual who hasn't shown proficiency with absorption. I can see that being the case if the individual in question has no extreme displays of raw power in any other area, but in Bane's case, he does.

Bane's feats aren't ''extreme'' by any means.


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Yoda's raw Force strength exceeds Anakin, though, so that comparison doesn't really work.


No, Yoda's mastery exceeds Anakin's; no one's "raw Force strength" exceeds Anakin's.

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No, Yoda's mastery exceeds Anakin's; no one's "raw Force strength" exceeds Anakin's.

Yoda is more powerful than Anakin, dude.


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Yoda is more powerful than Anakin, dude.


By virtue of mastery, not strength in the Force.

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Bane's feats aren't ''extreme'' by any means.



So Krayt beats Bane?


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Revan just can't compete in swordsmanship.

Bane was in the similar situation against Kas'im and you know what happened.

Revan may not be as much technically well-versed in lightsaber arts as Bane but he is extremely effective duelist nonetheless due to his incredible Force abilities. If Revan can cut down a Jedi level opponent with ease, even large groups of foes, I don't see why he cannot hang with Bane in a pure lightsaber duel.

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Which encyclopedia? Also disagree, Bane has fantastic feats in more than just one area. Revan's tutaminis is great, but thats about it. Bane would take him in a TK battle. At the least, Revan's not going to be doing shit to Bane with the Force, making it a pure lightsaber fight.

I am not sure if Bane can take someone as powerful as Revan in a TK battle, Bane isn't a godlike being.

On the contrary, Revan send a godlike being packing with a blast of power while Bane couldn't even budge Kas'im from his position with his most potent blast of power which is embarrassing for Bane to be honest.

In addition, Revan is extremely well-rounded in the ways of the Force (master of both light and dark techniques) and would have lot of techniques under his belt to teach Bane a lesson if it comes to that. Keep in mind that Revan's command of the Force was superior to that of anybody whom Meetra have met and you know that Meetra have met and dealt with some very impressive individuals.

As good as Bane is, he isn't in the league of Revan. I do believe that Bane would give Revan a decent challenge and may have a chance at scoring a victory in a lightsaber duel but Revan is the superior individual in this contest.

As poorly written as Revan's novel is, do not mistake Mr. Karphyshyn's low quality writing as indicator of Revan being a weakling. Revan outguns Bane in both raw power and Force mastery aspects to be honest.

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So Krayt beats Bane?

Arguable.

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By virtue of mastery, not strength in the Force.

His Force feats of raw Force strength exceeds Anakin's.


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His Force feats of raw Force strength exceeds Anakin's.


Of course his feats exceed Anakin's, that's my point. We know Anakin is stronger in the Force than Yoda and yet can't compete with him at all in a fight.

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No, Yoda's mastery exceeds Anakin's; no one's "raw Force strength" exceeds Anakin's.



I thought it was Anakin's potential that no one beats?


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I thought it was Anakin's potential that no one beats?


Same thing. Potential/midi-chlorian count/'raw power'/Force strength all mean the same thing and it's something Anakin has on everybody-- the Mortis Anchorites included.

Mastery is what distinguishes characters like Yoda from Anakin.

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Arguable.



Krayt knows energy absorption.


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Same thing. Potential/midi-chlorian count/'raw power'/Force strength all mean the same thing and it's something Anakin has on everybody-- the Mortis Anchorites included.

Mastery is what distinguishes characters like Yoda from Anakin.

I see your point, but Anakin never achieved even half of his potential power.

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Krayt knows energy absorption.

On a vaslty lesser scale than Revan, yes.


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Same thing. Potential/midi-chlorian count/'raw power'/Force strength all mean the same thing and it's something Anakin has on everybody-- the Mortis Anchorites included.

Mastery is what distinguishes characters like Yoda from Anakin.



I thought they were different. For example, Anakin's raw power as a child would be less than his raw power as an adult, but his potential was always the same.

Same with Sidious. In a fit of rage, Palpatine unleashes his raw power as a child to slaughter his family, but as ROTS Sidious he casually rips senate pods from their restraints while laughing.


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I thought they were different. For example, Anakin's raw power as a child would be less than his raw power as an adult, but his potential was always the same.

Same with Sidious. In a fit of rage, Palpatine unleashes his raw power as a child to slaughter his family, but as ROTS Sidious he casually rips senate pods from their restraints while laughing.


Palpatine's Force strength wouldn't have changed since then; only his mastery and his ability to effectively and efficiently use the Force. Same with Anakin.

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On a vaslty lesser scale than Revan, yes.



What is Bane's best showing of raw power, how much raw power would it require for Revan to absorb Nyriss' lightning, and then how do we determine which is the greater display of raw power (Bane's best showing, or Revan's best absorption)?


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lol. The troller is getting subtly trolled. I like it.


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What is Bane's best showing of raw power, how much raw power would it require for Revan to absorb Nyriss' lightning, and then how do we determine which is the greater display of raw power (Bane's best showing, or Revan's best absorption)?

We use inference and reasonable thinking. Bane's best feat is either pulverizing organs in three or so guards or ripping up a campsite, whichever you prefer. Are these feats good? Sure. But a source of which I forgot its name does state that it's difficult for ''even the most powerful of the Jedi to deflect such power'', referring to lightning. Revan doing it as he did to lightning capable of ashifying Force adepts on a dark side nexus? It's sure as hell vastly better than pulverizing organs.


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