Betraying his allies had not altered the inevitable outcome; the Emperor would have won regardless. At least this way Scourge was still alive to carry on their cause.
During a violent tempest, Darth Lokess called a secret meeting of her eleven fellow Dark Council members. Under the cover of night, the Dark Council met and heard Darth Lokess describe a brilliant and daring plan to overthrow the Sith Emperor, end his relentless exile, and lead the Empire back to war against the Republic. An army of Sith under the command of Darth Lokess were stationed outside the meeting, ready to slay any Dark Council member who refused. But they all agreed to depose the Emperor.
It remains a mystery how the Emperor learned of his council's treachery. He allowed their plan to play out, but when they gathered to confront the Emperor, his punishment was swift and devastating. Eleven members of the Dark Council died in a sudden flash on the steps of the Citadel. The last member Darth Lokess, disappeared forever, though for some centuries some claimed her screams could be heard from the bowels of the Citadel.
A new council was immediately appointed to replace the traitors. The Emperor had made his point: his will was absolute, and none would oppose him. And though this was not the last time the council would defy the Emperor, his lesson would humble the Empire and its Sith leaders for centuries to come. (SWTORE, Page 156)
That sounds like an explosion. Where does it say he used the force? That wasnt the quote i was thinking of anyway-- i was thinking of the Revan novel in which it says the dark council met in his chambers, but none came out. Steps of the citadel versus closed doors, something seems contradictory. But still, where does it say he used the force to knock them off? You cant assume it: sidious was powerful with the force, but he killed the majority of his enemies with blaster bolts and death stars.
In regards to the Sith Emperor one shotting the Council, it is highly unlikely they had any proper defenses up at this point considering they had not even entered the Citadel.
So all this proves it that the Sith Emperor is capable of considerable reach with his powers. I find it unlikely that the Sith Emperor, being weaker that Sidious, can summon enough power to overwhelm his barriers - it just doesn't make sense.
However DE Sidious can summon a Force Storm in a instant, and I doubt the Sith Emperor could withstand that.
So yeah DE Sidious > Prepped Sith Emperor.
As for the OP though, I don't really know. You don't need to be a god-like being to take down the Sith Emperor fully prepped. Sidious + Yoda could do it easily, or Plagueis + Windu or any highly powerful Force User paired with another.
So yeah you are asking the wrong question here, unless you are willing to lower the bar.
I doubt they didn't have them up. For one thing there's guards outside and right inside the Citadel. So they could be under attack at any point, up against the greatest force of warriors in the galaxy. And they're walking into the fortress of the most powerful Sith to exist up to that point with armies under his command and untold resources. It would be silly not to be prepared. Plus they have precognition.
It doesn't make sense that with full preparation and all the rituals, sorceries and artifacts he has that Vitiate can overwhelm a guy who is maybe a bit stronger than himself? Maybe it doesn't make sense to you because you lack it in the first place. :I
If Sidious summons a Force Storm he'll probably die from being in the same room as well. So whatever.
They are members of the DC, if they want to walk into the Citadel. Nobody is going to stop them. I very much doubt they had an intention of fighting anyone but the Sith Emperor himself.
Unless the Sith Emperor has some trinkets and artifacts that can significantly increase his own power I don't think so. But already we are assuming that he did among other things.
If the Sith Emperor tried to call down thunder, it would hit roof and collapse him, burying him under the rubble, so...
And did not Sidious call down a Force Storm in the middle of engaging Luke and Leia?
The marched up to it with an army of Sith at their backs. No-one would be thinking they were there to shoot the shit around the watercooler.
Well you'd be wrong, no offense. Prolonged amping up and charging of your power lets you unleash attacks well above your usual level of power. With full prep its only logical for someone to be capable of unleashing devastating attacks well above their usual ability. And this goes doubly so for Vitiate who clearly knows a lot of very powerful rituals and spells. Its not an assumption, its a plausibility. Did Vitiate increase his natural power? Maybe. I'm just acknowledging that possibility. Obviously it's better for my argument if Vitiate didn't use any means of increasing his power. But I find it unlikely that he can one-shot a Dark Council at his base strength.
What thunder? It just says flash of light, not lightning. Besides, what roof? The arena is Dromund Kaas, I never specified if they were in a building. When I said room I was just speaking casually.
Not in the same room as himself. He summoned it amidst the fleet outside.
Ah I didn't account for the army of Sith... perhaps. But then again we are still talking about passive not active barriers here i.e. an actual Force Shield.
So he still would have had an advantage.
Doesn't matter how much you amp yourself you can't make yourself stronger than you already are, you can't make something from nothing. Now if the Sith Emperor had some powerful artifacts to draw energy from, or a powerful DS nexus then maybe, but that would depend on the situation. And if it were a DS nexus Sidious could draw on it too.
It makes explicit reference to the lightning storm, it was outside, and the Emperor was nowhere to been seen. The only explanation I see is that the Sith Emperor used some kind of Alter Environment power involved with Sorcery to call down a powerful blast of lightning to destroy them - else they would never have mentioned the storm.
I don't see how he could have used any other power without a line of sight.
Luke confronted Sidious on the Eclipse, and severed his hand. Then Sidious called down a Force Storm, they must have been meters away from each other surely. Sidious can control this power, and surely its size, I'm sure he'd be able to aim it at the Sith Emperor.
He would still be overpowering force defenses, so it's still an unprecedentedly impressive feat. And as I pointed out, they have precog and could have sensed the attack.
Erm, yes it does matter. Bane couldn't fire off temple-busters whenever he wanted to, he had to charge up to unleash that level of power. It's obvious that with an amplified attack you can overpower someone who is normally stronger than you are when they can only use their standard level of defense. It's like for example if Vitiate was a 4 and Sidious was a 5 and Vitiate charging up his power let him fire off a level 6 or higher attack. See what I mean?
It says there's a storm, it doesn't say that's what the attack was. The storm could just be for mood, a dark and stormy night thing. Don't you think tha if it was a simple lightning strike it would be readily apparent and spelled out. Besides, such a powerful strike of lightning would bust through an ceiling anyway. If there is a ceiling.
Some sorcerous spell or ritual is just as likely.
I meant he didn't create a wormhole right in front of Luke to swallow him up, did he? He didn't spawn a wormhole right there in the same room as himself. He created it outside in the fleet. So it's not as if he's going to create it and insta-pwn Vitiate with it.
Force Storm (Wormhole) power takes time to materialize. Sidious had summoned this power on a fleet of Republic at some point during confrontation with Luke and Leia. Not sure, exactly when.
However, power was slow to approach Sidious's own flagship and destroy it. Jedi had ample time to escape from the ship and watched destruction of Sidious's flagship from safe distance.
@Neph
Emperor Vitiate continuously increased in power by draining many individuals.
Also about that line of sight thing, Sidious didn't need line of sight to create a Force Storm outside his ship or on the other side of the galaxy. So why does Vitiate need it to unleash his attacks?
But assuming Sidious sees the attack coming, he can raise a shield. We don't know that if the DC council had raised a shield the attack would have failed.
Yes of course if you gather your energies over a long time you can pull of more powerful feats that if you fire them off immediately. But that's still not making the Sith Emperor any more powerful than he is. The Sith Emperor will have to grind Sidious down and Sidious will have time to gather his energies as well.
And Sidious doesn't need much time to get to lvl 6, he can pull of Force Storms in seconds. That is an immense amount of power in an instant.
Well in the end we don't know exactly what is was, so I'll take all the pointers I can get. Nothing else I can think of suits as well as that. I think the lack of apparency was intended to create mystery, clearly they didn't want people to know what exactly happened. Sorcery can involve Alter enviroment.
*shrug* It was coming his way though, eventually it would be right on top of then both surely? And then what. Maybe Sidious was getting desperate, I don't know. But this is Darth Sidious we are talking about, the guy can gosh darn fly.
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