Granted he didn't have a large amount of time, Obi-Wan usually performs that well against Maul. I can accept he hasn't been shown he's adapt at healing, however.
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Maul kinda ragdolled Kenobi on florrum, he just wanted to make Kenobi's death slow and painful.
People seem to forget that every time they fought, it was the opposite of usual. Kenobi didn't want to question him, redeem him, he wanted him dead for Qui-Gon and to prevent further loss of life. Maul wanted to keep Kenobi alive, he only looked to incapacitate.
If you look carefully there are plenty of opportunities where Maul could finish Kenobi in their duels, he just chooses not to.
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LOL And like Maul was in such good shape, just getting new legs and it being his first fight in 10+years. How good would his healing have to be? And was Maul using his normal Lightsaber? Don't lowball when you feel like it now.
Plus Opress works best in a bigger environment where he can use his TK.
That argument works both ways so don't pick and choose feats as you like.
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Having new super-strong robot legs is considerably less of a disadvantage than a concussion, bro. And Maul is just as adept with a single blade as he is with a double. Plus Maul Dun Moch'ed him halfway through the fight.
Not really. A small environment also means that Ventress can't easily evade his superior strength and has to take him on head-on.
Lol at super strong legs being some sort of mega advantage for a guy who just got them, could hardly run in them a day earlier and hasn't had a lightsaber fight in over a decade.
Considering Ventress consistently fights off multiple opponents with dual lightsabers is safe to say she can handle a single opponent with a single lightsaber just fine.
Ventress had enough room to dodge. It wasn't THAT tight a space. But Opress' s force waves would likely hit Maul too. That was a particular disadvantage to Opress in the cave against Obi-Wan.
As for all this bull lowballing going on about Obi-Wan being knocked out earlier, how was he defeated in the first place to get captured? Oh that's right, Opress defeated him on his own. The same Opress that Maul completely embarasses.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Sep 24th, 2014 at 08:51 PM
What exactly did Kenobi need to be healed of? He had a black eye, which I've never known to have a major effect on one's performance in a fight.
As far as having a concussion, he was knocked out and recovered quickly with no other signs of being concussed. Meanwhile there were obvious signs of Maul's disadvantages during that fight, such as his awkwardness and clumsiness with his new pair of bulky legs.
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Well he was surprised, sure, but let's not exaggerate saying he was caught "completely off guard." He does see Opress and recognize him before Opress attacks him. He was also outright told by Windu that he would be walking into a trap.
But yeah sure, he was taken by surprise, but let's not forget this was Opress, Maul's clear inferior. And let's also not forget this was the second or third time Kenobi failed to overpower Opress.
And yet Kenobi couldn't defeat Maul in their one on one in the same damn episode.
A fight which Maul wasn't even prepared for btw, whilst Kenobi was the one hunting Maul.
And then of course there's Maul vs Kenobi 1 on 1 here from 0:48 to 1:58:
which was pretty even, despite Maul not being ready yet, whilst Kenobi was completely focused and ready this time.
So if Kenobi can't defeat Maul on his own fighting for well over a minute, in a fight Kenobi was completely prepared and focused for but Maul still wasn't in prime shape, then it's damn well common sense Kenobi would get destroyed by both brothers under normal circumstances 10/10.
I didn't say it was an advantage, just that it was less of a disadvantage than being knocked out twice and smacked around. They let him kick Obi-Wan around quite a bit iirc. And they were equal until Maul explicitly unbalanced him by taunting him about Qui-Gon.
Er, what? Her main style is double-bladed or dual blades. She's likely not as good with a single lightsaber as she would be with both her sabers.
It was pretty tight, she had to jump or climb over him or on top of boxes to get away from him a lot of the time. And Maul and Kenobiu jump away to the upper level half-way through the fight, if Savage could bring his Force waves to bear he had the opportunity. Instead she pushes him back with the Force at one point, and Obi-Wan Force-pwns Maul too.
He was ambushed, and off-guard. It was clear he wasn't expecting Opress to be there and was trying to fight him with Maul behind him. When Savage does "beat" him, its as Obi-Wan is checking to make sure Maul isn't about to backstab him.
Very very debatable. They both faced disadvantages. Although Maul's seems greater to me, but either way those disadvantages can't be quantified in numbers like say Kenobi had a 5/10 disadvantage whilst Maul had a 7/10.
But Maul won that one.
What? That's Maul's main style as well (Pre-TCW). It was his chosen style and thereby the style he was most adept in. But yeah he can handle a Single Saber as well just fine.
Whereas Ventress CONSISTENTLY fights off BOTH Obi-Wan and Anakin with 1 Lightsaber each. Because she fights them together. So your being ridiculous saying she can't fight well against a SINGLE Opponent with a SINGLE Lightsaber.
Ventress and Obi-Wan both admitted they were losing that fight. She wasn't KO'd before the fight or taken by surprise, so stop making excuses for her.
So because he wasn't expecting Opress to be there is enough reason to lose a fight that badly?
Oh so Obi-Wan "looking at where Maul is" costs him the fight against Opress? That's the 3rd time Kenobi failed to overpower Opress. And the first 2 times he had Anakin helping him, so Opress had to do more that just "look" at another opponent.
I understand that Obi-Wan was taken by surprise, but it wasn't exactly a "sucker punch" and again, this is against an Opponent who Maul completely embarrasses, with no difficulty whatsoever. Kenobi also consistently struggles against Ventress who was outmatched by Opress. And Kenobi has never actually put Maul down in direct combat since Maul's revival. And Maul is still alive so has just as much room to improve between TCW and ROTS as Kenobi does.
So your statement of: "No version of Maul being able to handle ROTS Kenobi", is completely baseless. I mean we are talking about the guy that got Force tooled by Count Dooku, knowing full well Maul is a bit of a TK Beast himself. And frankly I've not even seen evidence to give Kenobi a vast majority over Maul even in a Saber only match.
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