No, the setting was remains of the ancient Jedi Temple. And all combatants involved tapped into the nexus to fuel their power. I can provide complete description of this battle.
They don't affirm that combination of practitioners of the Light Side and the Dark Side are required to contend with Abeloth.
Abeloth wanted Ben Skywalker and Vestara Khai to assume roles of Son and Daughter. The Jedi (i.e. Luke Skywalker and Jaina Solo) seem to theorize about this matter.
As for Darth Krayt's remark, it makes sense. Krayt simply informed Luke that both Jedi and Sith shall need to work together to defeat Abeloth, a common foe of both.
1. It was clearly an attempt to simply re-enact the cycle of light and dark defeating Abeloth. As I said, it's implied throughout the entirety of the novel (or when it starts mentioning the Ones, at least), so it's hard to provide a straight quote for that. And Krayt clearly states that without the Ones (Daughter and Son), the only possible way to truly defeat her is via Jedi and Sith.
2. I meant a quote for it becoming a Dark Side nexus.
Vitiate's Voices would be easily beaten by Abeloth, and mentioning the Pawns or Children is pretty stupid because they'd melt in Abeloth's presence (literally, as in Ascension). That, and Vitiate doesn't have time to be diverting his strength directing other minions. And Vitiate losing a single Avatar is a more significant setback for him than it is for Abeloth, as seen when the HoT killed a Voice.
Wait a moment. How can a lightside nexus amp Nyax. Since that battle took place at the ruins or at the ancient Jedi Temple?
Shouldn't be that a light side nexus,though!?
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With Grand Master Satele Shan's support, Master Braga assembles a strike team of the strongest and most resolute Jedi in the order. Their goal is to pinpoint the Emperor's hidden fortress, capture the Sith leader alive, and turn him to the light side. The Jedi do not realize that they have underestimated the true extent of the Emperor's power. It is an error that will cost them dearly.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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The plan to invade the Emperor's fortress succeeds beyond Master Braga's greatest ambitions. However, the Jedi find more than they bargained for when they finally confront the Sith leader in his lair. The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side. Armed with incalculable powers of corruption, the Emperor easily defeats the Knight, Master Braga, and their fellow Jedi, twisting them all to the dark side.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
In short, Vitiate (Voice) easily defeated a Jedi Strike Team of some of the most powerful Jedi of the Order.
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The Voice is the mouthpiece through which the Emperor delivers his orders. This possessed being sacrifices all consciousness to become a hollow vessel for the Emperor. Over the centuries, the Emperor has taken many Voices from young children to alien species. When the Voice speaks, it does so with the Emperor's cold, emotionless, and commanding tone. The Voice also wields the Emperor's incredible power and is capable of striking down anyone who displeases him. Those who converse with the Voice are overwhelmed with dread and unshakable obedience. To speak with the Voice is to speak with the Emperor himself.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Why didn't Luke Skywalker, Darth Krayt and some other Sith melt in Abeloth's presence?
Watch Vitiate's actions on Ziost and read affiliated lore.
This demonstrates your lack of knowledge of SWTOR related developments.
Vitiate lost much of his power prior to this confrontation because his ultimate ritual was disrupted. Vitiate began to recover but HoT and his allies struck on the right moment and Vitiate lost his Voice along with many Children, further weakening him.
However, even in the weakest moment, Vitiate was able to collapse a portion of the mighty Dark Temple in an attempt to crush HoT beneath the rubble. The Jedi Master somehow escaped.
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1. You speak of that as if I'm not already aware of it. None of this implies comparable power to Abeloth, lol.
2. I laughed. Luke and Krayt are now comparable to any of Vitiate's pawns and minions? And this was in Beyond Shadows, which is mental forms only, not to mention it wasn't all of Abeloth (she was possessing other bodies as well).
3. I did, and it's overly hyped. I repeat - against Abeloth, somebody who is far more powerful than anybody else in Vitiate's era or anybody Vitiate has ever faced (or Vitiate himself) - he has no time to be spending his strength on others.
4. I've told you that I played/seen the entire JK storyline, and I'm aware of all this. Abeloth can easily replicate it, as well. All beings, Abeloth included, gradually weaken as each of their bodies die. Vitiate is not exempt from this rule. When Abeloth kills his Voices over and over a sufficient number of times, he will not have the strength to continue fighting - assuming he's still alive, that is.
And yet, she lost so many avatars in battles against lesser opposition.
What about Ben Skywalker, High Lord Sarasu Taalon, Gavar Khai, Vestara Khai, Jaina Solo, and Bobba Fett? Why didn't they melt in Abeloth's presence?
Children of the Emperor aren't mooks, they are powerful on average. First Son, in particular, is stated to possesses remarkable power and also have remarkable feats:
The Sith Emperor seeks to shape all things to his will. His Children, individuals infused with part of his being, have been scattered throughout the Republic, knowingly–or unknowingly–manipulating events to the Emperor's advantage over the years. Above them all is the First Son of the Emperor, a master strategist placed within the Jedi Council itself. Cloaked in the identity of Master Syo Bakarn, the First Son has been hiding the Children from the Jedi for decades, playing a long game with the Republic. His actions suggest a man possessing remarkable patience, ruthlessness and power.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic
I am not interested in this kind of nonsensical dismissals of official information. You better accept the fact that Vitiate is far more powerful then you give him credit for.
This:
The Emperor escaped destruction on Yavin 4, and now his presence has been felt on the planet Ziost, once powerful throne world of the Sith Empire. You are called upon again to face this galactic menace when your allies realize that the entire planet's inhabitants have been mind-controlled. And while the Emperor's ultimate plan is still unknown, you do know he must be stopped.
1. Apart from using PIS as an argument, Abeloth has been largely weakened/not at full power in FotJ. At least Abeloth has faced people above Vitiate in power, whereas the inverse is not true - Vitiate has never encountered anybody of greater power than him, or anybody on Abeloth's class.
2. Because they're above the mooks that Abeloth destroys in Ascension? And because they're above the pawns and Children you mentioned.
And I know how powerful the Children are, and they'd get annihilated by Abeloth. Or, worse, they'd get affected by her Force Psychosis and she controls them, rather than Vitiate.
3. I give him credit for being above Revan and every other Force user before him, bar the Ones and Bedlam Spirits. That's as much credit as he needs - the rest are just additional showings, and they're beneath him.
No, he doesn't. You better admit you're very clearly biased towards Vitiate. And it's becoming apparent because you've just abandoned Nihilus to fanwank your favorite character.
4. I didn't, I was claiming that Abeloth could replicate a similar circumstance. That's like me asking you why you're misinterpreting Abeloth's feats and failures.
5. She's already affected the visuals of ships on a solar system-wide basis, so it's within her scope of power. She also melted a city just by being angry in Ascension.
And as I said, Vitiate has to use some of his power for those hundreds of minions. not that they could ever actually do anything to Abeloth, or come close. And she can bend fauna/flora of a planet to her will, and use them against Vitiate's minions - assuming, of course, that her Force Psychosis doesn't assume control of them first. Given that people who were aware of Force Psychosis were still affected, and because Abeloth is more powerful than Vitiate, I think that's hardly an implausible notion.
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You have yet to substantiate your (ridiculous) claim that Abeloth can melt others with her mere presence. Provide evidence or acknowledge your claim as a lie. Their is no escaping from this.
Abeloth have faced 'people' above Vitiate in power? You mean beings?
Well, according to SWTOR sources, Vitiate is the most powerful Force-user to have ever existed.
Prove that Children of the Emperor are inferior to the mooks whom Abeloth destroyed. Your assertions are becoming more ridiculous as this debate continues. Don't expect me to take this kind of nonsense seriously.
You have asserted that Children of the Emperor are inferior to the mooks whom Abeloth destroyed, and yet you claim that you know about Children of the Emperor? Fact is that you have run out of arguments and now presenting garbage.
This is a possibility but not exactly affirmed.
I don't care about preferences. You better concentrate on substantiating your claims.
Yes, you did.
Reminder: "And Vitiate losing a single Avatar is a more significant setback for him than it is for Abeloth, as seen when the HoT killed a Voice."
And yet:
Over the centuries, the Emperor has taken many Voices from young children to alien species.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Vitiate have no trouble switching between hosts just like Abeloth. This is apparent from Vitiate's actions on Ziost. Vitiate lost many hosts to enemy fire on Ziost, and this didn't dampen his power or capabilities.
Abeloth cannot melt powerful adversaries with mere presence, period.
That city contained people of unknown talents and strengths. We know nothing about them.
Also, Vitiate soloed the world of Ziost. He can solo worlds, he is this damn powerful.
Vitiate can possess individuals of varying strength, from mooks to outright powerful Force-users.
Speaking through those he's possessed, he controls powerful pawns like Master Surro, the leader of a team of elite militarized Jedi known as the Sixth Line.
Abeloth's chances in a confrontation would depend upon how strong the opposition is. And she cannot defeat thousands of powerful Force-users in single combat.
Nyax is more powerful than them and they don't have Luke's saber prowess to stand a chance against him. They don't even have Mara's and Tahiri's saber skills to somehow survive his onslaught.
Is that a dark nexus,Legend? With Nyax and all that crap!?
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