Are you classifying Adam as a being of electromagnetism?
I'm not entirely sure Marvel comic book Anti Matter has the same meaning as this: In particle physics, antimatter is material composed of antiparticles; which have the same mass as particles of ordinary matter but have opposite charge and other particle properties such as lepton and baryon number, quantum spin, etc?
let's assume that it does okay?
All the same we saw how powerful Anihilus was when he was kicking the crap out of Richie, and Adam is actually a very powerful energy manipulator as well. He did mend Monica in an energized state after all. The Avengers team that was getting the crap beaten out of it by Pagan alone would send Richie to the hospital. Crap, Thor and Wonder Man was there, Pagan put them through the paces. BM would clock Prime, and he'd break Galdiator's jaw, and send him to off to Nap-Ville. No way would Gladiator be a match for the Sentry or Anti-Man. Just not happening. Not with his record at least.
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Oh. my bad. Monica has gotten stronger though. but even if he took Monica, Gladiator isn't beating Adam. Not very likely, and Richie isn't going to do it either. If I recall correctly, Anti-Man was a beast. he would have peeled King Hyperion's scalp back. The problem with Adam is that he is portrayed as the hero, and his dialog even proves that he's another one of those characters that hold back for fear of killing his opponent. Like Superman, Batman, captain America, Spider Man etc. BM is on a higher level of power than either Gladiator or Prime.
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These are good points stoic, and you almost swayed me till you said BM would one shot Gladiator. Thor, Glads, SS, and Hulk all have low showings. Because they have years and thousands of more comics they appeared in.
Using Glads jobbing and low showings of course BM would win, he has no bad showings.
If we went by just high end and at their best, and not jobbing out for plot. Gladiator would win
But he never mentioned low showings by Gladiator in his argument. BM has everything Gladiator has physically plus Antimatter production and manipulation in the form of blasts and shields, plus he is incredibly intelligent.
When did I say one shot. If that's what you got from a previous statement, then I likely didn't explain the pound for pound that would happen if they fought. He wouldn't one shot him, but in the end Gladiator would be nursing a broken jaw. Kallark simply does not have the track record to be able to compete against the Sentry, Anti-Man, or Blue Marvel. Spider Man even said that Black Bolt was one of the most powerful beings in the universe, but that Sentry was even more powerful than he was. Gladiator could not take Black Bolt in a physical match up without BB shouting at him. We saw this in WoK (War of Kings). Black Bolt is a notch below BM, and that era Sentry. Honestly man. Gladiator's record is crystal clear, and he would be bullied by BM. Look at the fight that he had with Hyperion (not the same Hyperion as King Hyperion) but lets say that King Hyperion and the Hyperion that Gladiator fought was on par, it took a lot for gladiator to take hyerion out, and only did it because of his superior combat experience. They were dead even.
If BM went in from the door to beat King Hyperion up, he would have broke him without a doubt. Instead he went in talking against a villain, and got cocky, and KH popped him in the mouth. BM gets back up, and destroys KH to the point that he wasn't able to get up. Gladiator is just on a slightly lower level.
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Team 1 wins. BM is not beating gladiator ever. Gladiator against the likes of thor, hulk and other strong and powerful foes WILL start off great and by PLOT will be written to lose while the heros get the win because they are the hero of the story. Using gladiators high end feats of destroying planets on strength alone, his speed feats, his containing energy that would have destroyed half a solar system where he IS NOT fighting a hero where he will lose because thats the story is above BM. I keep reminding people of the spiderman firelord fight where firelords fights against thor and surfer and his feats were thrown out the window to by PLOT let spiderman win because of the story. Its just like superman getting KOED by a gas-station explosion yet he has taken planet destroying blasts to the face. Its not who you beat and who he lost to that determines the outcome of a battle between characters. BY PLOT, the hero will beat any foe no matter his powers but by feats and powerset, those losers should and would destroy the hero in the hand of a NEUTRAL and non-biased no plot setting. Team one wins without plot.
Dude you can't listen to that crap. Honestly now, BM put out heavy damage on the moon by using a medal. Planets also don't fight back. If we went by feats like that Hyperion of the Avengers makes nearly everyone look like chumps, but what is his actual record against opponents? Gladiator isn't a villain, he loses because his opponents are either better, or outright more powerful than he is. Gladiator only defeated Hyperion (Not the one from the Avengers) because he had superior skills. people try to make any excuse for the reasons why BM isn't in the major leagues, but none of them hold any weight. I mean what bad showing does he have exactly? Like I said before, Gladiator was shown to be a physical match with Black Bolt, and I really can't see Black Bolt fighting evenly with the Sentry, Anti-Man, or Blue Marvel.
Blue Marvel proved beyond a doubt that he can go up against a guy capable of embarassing both Thor and Wonder Man with back up. Pagan is that guy. Pagan is also a villain, so what now? using a characters one time crazy feats isn't the way to win a debate. We go by averages, and on average Gladiator would get the crap beaten out of him by Adam just like King Hyperion did.
Another point that i would like to make, is that Anti-Man only appeared to be more powerful than Adam, because he didn't hold back, while like I mentioned before Adam is a hero, and he holds back so that he doesn't kill his opponents. The team of Avengers that Adam was beating up would kick the crap out of Gladiator if we compare them to the guys that have actually knowcked Gladiator out. The Sentry and Wonder Man alone would be enough, if would added Captain Marvel (Carol), and Iron Man to the mix, they murder him. JBL is only making excuses, with absolutely no evidence to prove that Gladiator is actually on Adam's level.
Name ONE mainstream hero that BM has beaten????? By your logic, spiderman is better and more powerful than firelord?????? Your the team that BM was beating would murder gladiator holds no water because that was the story plot. I could say that gladiator was doing damn well against Ego the living planet who has stalemated Galactus himself who would steamroll earth if not for plot. Tell you what, let BM attack DC earth and watch as the HERO superman by plot send him back to marvel with his azz on a silver platter or let gladiator take supermans place in the JLA and then let all his so-called betters attack him or DC earth and see what happens. Again, name just one mainstream super powered hero on supermans, thor etc level that played the hero in that story that BM has beaten?????????
Why would I have to name one mainstream heavy hitter on Thor's level? Didn't he rock the Sentry? Oh yeah, you must have forgotten about him. Who has Gladiator beaten barring a sneak attack? Gladiator does not have the track record to stand toe to toe against any of the elite top tiers. If so, name one guy that he's beaten on Thor's level. Just one. Please don't start up with this Gladiator being Superman's equal crap, because he isn't, and has never proven to be his equal.
Also, asking all of those questions will not somehow invalidate Adam's track record. I'd bet that Pagan would beat the mess out of Gladiator.
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