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Omega Vision
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Originally posted by Astner
But they couldn't be proven. Are you implying that things can exist without evidence?

Proof and existence are different. You can't prove something without evidence, but something can exist independent of human reckoning. That doesn't mean it's epistemologically responsible to believe in things that can't be proven though.

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Dec 12th, 2015 08:22 PM

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Astner
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Originally posted by Omega Vision
Proof and existence are different.

I was making fun of his reasoning....

Dec 12th, 2015 08:24 PM

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Omega Vision
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Oh, then carry on.

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Dec 12th, 2015 08:35 PM

Adam Grimes
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Because people rule and form laws based on there favorite book.

I'd like to pass a law that all men must dress accordingly based solely on which side of the tracks they live on. Wouldn't want our women being besmirched by them greaser punks.

Pack mindset, I can see that.

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Because that's boring?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Life without religious conflict would be even more boring.

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Dec 12th, 2015 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Why can't everyone be happy with their own ideology without attacking the others?

Asking to both groups.

It's not an attack to point out there is no proof God exists.

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Dec 12th, 2015 09:01 PM

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Adam Grimes
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Originally posted by Surtur
It's not an attack to point out there is no proof God exists.

You usually don't stop there, for instance.

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Dec 12th, 2015 09:15 PM

Van Hohenheim
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Originally posted by Astner
You don't arrive at the conclusion from the premises.

They do support the argument. Did you watch the videos you posted?

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No. Deductive reasoning is generally not used in natural philosophy because we don't have a proper understanding of nature.

Yes, and the conclusion even if logically correct can't be tested. So there's no way to test how false it might be.

Given that you understand the flaws in deductive reasoning, why would you try an attempt to use it as a way to prove god's existence?

Dec 12th, 2015 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Adam Grimes
You usually don't stop there, for instance.

Usually only after people begin saying crazy stuff.

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Dec 12th, 2015 11:22 PM

Esau Cairn
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Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Blind faith is real faith. The Bible teaches this.

The point to this topic was not to bring the bible into discussion as the only proof available.

Dec 13th, 2015 12:35 AM

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Adam Grimes
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Usually only after people begin saying crazy stuff.

It's still an attack.

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Dec 13th, 2015 12:37 AM

Esau Cairn
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Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Why can't everyone be happy with their own ideology without attacking the others?

Asking to both groups.

Notice the one's with faith are the ones must adamant in attacking others beliefs?

Dec 13th, 2015 12:38 AM

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What would be be considered "proof"?

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Mindset
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Notice the one's with faith are the ones must adamant in attacking others beliefs?

Faith leads to rigidity in thinking, that's pretty much its purpose.

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Dec 13th, 2015 12:57 AM

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Esau Cairn
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Originally posted by Mindset
Faith leads to rigidity in thinking, that's pretty much its purpose.

I get the feeling that when Star makes it to Heaven, even God will think he's a tw*t.

Dec 13th, 2015 01:03 AM

Esau Cairn
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What would be be considered "proof"?

God himself reaffirming his existence.

I don't think that's too much to ask for if he wants our devotion.

Dec 13th, 2015 01:05 AM

Adam Grimes
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Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Notice the one's with faith are the ones must adamant in attacking others beliefs?

Yeah, they're usually the first to talk contemptuously about other groups.

It's a back and forth.

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Dec 13th, 2015 01:38 AM

Mindset
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God exists and he despises us.

Take comfort in that.

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Dec 13th, 2015 01:43 AM

Adam Grimes
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Only until I find him.

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Dec 13th, 2015 01:45 AM

juggerman
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Originally posted by Esau Cairn
God himself reaffirming his existence.

I don't think that's too much to ask for if he wants our devotion.

So if nothing short of that will suffice, why make the thread? Nothing but God Himself will sway you it seems

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Dec 13th, 2015 01:49 AM