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Revan 3.0 vs. Exar Kun
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Jaggarath
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Ngl but that was a pretty big letdown.

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ur tryna look clever but ur 11 nd everything ur say is wrong, its annoying

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I'm not a debater.


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The Ellimist
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I'm gonna post a reply, although tbh putting peak Kyp on Palpatine's tier might be more useful to me.


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>ignores statement that Yavin IV's temples provided Kun the power to maintain his incorporeal will and persist beyond the void, nothing more. (Better go read I, Jedi)

>Ignores the fact that 'very powerful' barely describes Jedi!Kun, nevermind Prime Kun who is stated by Tom Veitch to be his most powerful incarnation.

>ignores the fact Kyp Durron amped by the Great Temple is stated to be feeble in comparison to being boosted by Exar Kun's 'black-ice power', in a quote you just posted. If you argue it's a question of mastery I'm going to have to conclude you lack reading comprehension.

>Also ignores the fact that Exar Kun is only capable of summoning some of his powers through Kyp Durron, not all of them.

Exar Kun being more powerful in his prime is supported by all evidence and thus his ability to defeat Jedi Academy Luke in another confrontation is very highly likely.

Skillz agrees and even stated that denying otherwise is a sign of stupidity, so there's that. Ellimist converted, ILS argues similar facts.

It's all but accepted fact by now, Beni tried and didn't get far at all, Zoltan doesn't even try. Your resistance is just not even worthy tbh.

Also, Kun defeating Luke is hardly the only feat, his choking the entire melded academy at once is also a feat of supremacy to be considered when discussing the Spirit of Exar Kun.


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>Also ignores the fact that Exar Kun is only capable of summoning some of his powers through Kyp Durron, not all of them.


Yeah, this is the big one.


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As if Naga Sadow was as powerful possessing Eison Gynt when he lost to a second-rate Sith spy.

As if Marka Ragnos was as powerful possessing Tavion Axmis, heck just to summon his spirit required the power of numerous dark side focal points.

As if Valkorion is as powerful possessing Outlander.

There's no evidemce that spirits are as powerful when possessing lesser hosts.


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I stated numerous times in my post I agree that physical Exar Kun is more powerful than spirit Exar Kun.

Do you get mixed up with the collector's edition of my post, Kulvax?


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I addressed that in my post. laughing out loud

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You pointed out, but you hardly addressed it, more like handwaved it.


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I stated numerous times in my post I agree that physical Exar Kun is more powerful than spirit Exar Kun.

Do you get mixed up with the collector's edition of my post, Kulvax?


Did you get mixed up on claiming that a nexus and Kyp makes up for that? Because neither of them do as is stated in lore repeatedly.


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Durron alone makes up for that. The nexus is just overkill.


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But he doesn't...hence the "some of his powers" quote. no expression


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It explicitly states neither of them do, reading comprehension dear.

You're essentially just sticking your head in the sand and pretending your post has any credibility.


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Kulvax, you're popping your head into this thread and bitching randomly about vague aspects of my post.

Contribute or begone.


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Kun had a great many other powers he was incapable of weilding without the energies required to fuel his disembodied will, some of them he could channel through Kyp, Streen or Gantoris. This is explicit, hardly debatable.


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It's not vague.


Exar Kun himself possessed a great many other dark powers that he was unable to harness without the energy he needed to fuel his disembodied will. Some of these powers he was able to channel through Kyp, Gantoris, and Streen to achieve his ends.
- The Jedi Academy Sourcebook


This was perhaps my most emphasized piece of evidence, and I don't think you addressed it at all.


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Kulvax, you're popping your head into this thread and debunking incorrect assumptions that are essentially my entire post.

I better contribute something noteworthy Beni hasn't tried before or begone.


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No, that was one of the main things I was addressing in my post. I didn't know I had to spell everything out for you two to actually get it.

I agreed Exar Kun's spirit is weaker than the flesh, but as my post pointed out, and you seemed to agree, the gap is not significant at all, and by the time he fought Luke Skywalker, barely even noticeable, given he was once again able to affect the physical realm, which is a spirit's main limitations and sign of weakness in comparison to it in a physical form. On a larger scale, like I said, reference back to Vitiate on Yavin IV and Ziost.

However, the fact spirit Exar Kun cannot wield all the powers of physical Exar Kun does not mean that the former is significantly weaker than the latter - just that it is weakened (if even), for it has to reserve more power to sustain its will, so it can't do large-scale Sith sorcery or rituals. As my text also pointed out, Exar Kun's spirit, as of his fight with Skywalker, should have enough reserves to bring to bear most of his powers, as supported by the fact that a quote reads that he brought down all of a Dark Lord of Sith's power. The additional aid of the nexus should allow him to fully exercise his powers without having to keep any of his own base power in reserve.

I've already explained this before. You pride yourself over being a Harvard debater but you can't comprehend even some basic shit.


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