"Under the Felucian Shamans it notes that they kept others from falling to the Dark Side, but this was under the tutilage of Shaak Ti,"
Wrong. As Shaak makes note of in the novel and game the Sarlacc has been a place of sacrifice since time immemorial becuase the Felucians aware of the affect srong force users have on themselves and the planet itself sacrificed darksiders there as is stated in the quotes I provide above.
"and even then it notes some Shamans did fall to the Dark Side."
Who were dealt with by the shamans via sacrifice to the sarlacc.
"What Maris did is just further corrupt the Shamans that are already, while alert to the possibility of falling to the Dark Side, not infallible and can fall to it."
Yes.
"So again: stop spreading a hoax. It never says Maris corrupted a planet, or that a strong enough Force user can off-balance the world."
Actually it does as you can see above.
"It just says Maris can turn a bunch of Shamans that are already suseptible to the darkness to the Dark Side, and nothing more."
Yes, it says she corrupted the shamans and that a strong darksider can corrupt the planet itself which after Shaak Ti's death is exactly what occurred. While the world was under her control it was mired in the light. Once she passed on the world would have gone back to being balanced between the Light and Dark. Maris's influence however darkened the planet.
"The novel says that her death affected the planet deeply, and there's no longer someone to keep the Dark Side at bay."
Quote? I believe you're referring to when it said her death affected the Felucians greatly. Regardless I'd imagine it would as it would take planet mired in the light and set it back to being balanced between the Light and Dark again.
"The comic also notes this: The Dark Side was strong on Felucia, and Shaak Ti was a beacon in that Darkness."
The comic directly contradicts both the novel and campaign guide which states Felucia is a world balanced between Light and Dark. I'll take the novel over the comic any day and two sources over one doubly so.
"And further proof from the novel: Felucia is a world finely balanced between the light and dark sides of the Force. Shaak Ti was the only thing keeping it from being consumed by darkness."
You seem to have trouble grasping the concept of context. The quote you provided takes place from the perspective of Galen after arriving on the planet. The only major action he knows occurred there is his murder of Shaak Ti so from his perspective that's going to be the main reason why he believes the world has turned dark as he has knowledge of Maris or the way strong force users can affect Felucia.
"And here's even more proof, this time directly stating that if Shaak dies the Dark Side will take hold: She was responsible for the planet's imbalance. With her gone, maybe the dark side could reassert itself and the natural rhythms of life resume."
Context Wolf. Given that within a few pages of that quote it states that the Dark Side is stifled on Felucia the Dark Side being allowed to reassert itself is what would allow the world to go back to being balanced between the Light and the Dark unlike the Light mired world Shaak unbalanced.
What all the sources point to is Felucia being a Dark Side Nexus that Shaak Ti tamed, and when she died the Dark Side took hold again, Maris sped up the process by training the Shamans to the Dark Side. So let's run this down, you still:
1. Have no proof any Force user can shift the planet's balance.
2. Have only been arguing using an out-of-context quote for Maris.
3. Are too thick-headed to accept this and are still arguing that turning the already vulnerable Shamans to the Dark Side is switching the planet's alliance.
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"What all the sources point to is Felucia being a Dark Side Nexus that Shaak Ti tamed, and when she died the Dark Side took hold again,"
Only the comic states this and it's outright contradicted by both the novel and campaign guide. Only Galen's musings support your theory of Shaak's death causing the Dark Side to flourish on Felucia.
"Maris sped up the process by training the Shamans to the Dark Side."
Without Shaak's presence the planet was unaligned and Brood's presence is the likely cause of the planet darkening given what we know of how Felucia is affected by powerful individuals.
So let's run this down, you still:
1. Have no proof any Force user can shift the planet's balance.
2. Have only been arguing using an out-of-context quote for Maris.
3. Are too thick-headed to accept this and are still arguing that turning the already vulnerable Shamans to the Dark Side is switching the planet's alliance.
I never said any Force user could. I said a powerful Force user can corrupt the natives and subsequently the planet as we can see from the quotes I provided above.
I don't see how it's out of context given the quotes directly support her presence being the cause of Felucia's darkening.
I'm trying to make you see reason and understand that we have quotes showing us powerful force users are able to effect the alignment of the planet as it has a delicate balance between both the Light and the Dark and that Maris corrupting the Felucians is evidence of her successfully accomplishing this.
"1. No it doesn't, lol. It makes strong references to the Felucians, particularly the Shamans, being Force sensitive, how Shaak's own presence and training of the Shamans kept the Dark at bay and prevented most of the Shamans from falling to the Dark Side and how Maris made the Shamans fall to the Dark Side. Nothing of the planet's alliance shifting by powerful Force users is mentioned."
Except it does.
"The shamans fear, and rightly so, that allowing a powerful agent of the dark side to live on their world will corrupt not only their fellow Felucians but the planet itself."
"2. Shaak was there longer, but why would that matter? If Shaak is indeed considerably, even if noticeably, below Galen, should Galen's Force signature not overwrite her own? Should the superior Force user not change the planet's flow? Keep in mind, I don't agree with this, I'm simply saying what your "logic" dictates."
I never said that that's what would occur. Obviously a force user who has established a bond and deep connection with the environment and natives of the planet is going to retain control of them, especially considering Galen was there to kill Shaak Ti not rest control of the planet from her.
"Um, again that was a lucky Force Push on Galen's part that took advantage of a momentary opening on Shaak Ti's and nothing else. Even Marek notes he got lucky in the novel: He backed away, shocked by how close he had come to death and how lucky he had been to defeat her."
There's no such thing as luck. It was his reflexes and precog that allowed him to deflect Shaak's strike in time. Luck isn't an actual thing IRL.
"And here's a quote saying that Galen was the desperate one in the fight: The third would have skewered his right eye had he not held her back at the last minute with a desperate telekinetic block that stopped her lightsaber barely a millimeter from his skin."
Of course he would be desperate to keep himself from being half blinded. Just like Shaak was desperate enough to attempt a suicide move in an effort to defeat Galen.
"So, again, luck, a game of chance, PIS, whatever you wish to call it: Galen didn't win by merit of power or skill."
PIS? How is PIS that Galen had the the precog/reflexes to react to Shaak's strike? Given those two capabilities are directly tied to strength in the Force and what we've seen of Galen before this point it's only reasonable that he should be capable of doing so.
"I can ask you to use common sense about how Maris converting a bunch of Shamans can change the entire flow of the planet just by her mere presence, because that doesn't make sense. The difference between our two statements is that mine actually has a direct quote supporting it, yours does not. And it would make sense for Shaak to worry about Maris' fall, what would happen if she dies, how the Shamans and Brood would survive/not succumb to the Dark Side, etc."
Except my quote directly states that what I'm saying is possible. Yours is reasonable except for the last part. It doesn't make sense that Shaak would worry about being discovered after she's already been discovered which leads me to believe that these worries which plagues her were issues she was dealing with before Galen actually faced her in combat. As a Jedi master she should be able to clear her mind of these worries though to be fair I can concede that her worry for Maris and the natives could have been a factor in her fight against Galen.
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"Novel notes Galen was desparate and lucky, yet you can't accept it..."
And you can't seem to accept the fact that Shaak attempted a suicidal move against Galen because she knew he would outlast and ultimately defeat her the way things were going due to his various advantages he held ( youth and superior force reserves ) despite all the things hindering him in that fight. Luck is not a factor in anything. Only probability and chance.
"Ahsoka didn't push Vader off his feet, or nearly as far, and what cliff, lol? There was a cliff next to them, but as the second and third panel show, Marek and Shaak were on relatively even footing."
The cliff shown in the scan you provided. The layout of the graphical area is a small island that Galen was on, a moat of teeth in between the island and the surrounding ground that Shaak was on, and a possible bridge between the two. Galen was pushed when attempting to cross the bridge or if the bridge wasn't there then when he attempted to jump the gash which ultimately led to him falling into the moat of teeth. Wouldn't you agree that this is the layout of the area from what we're provided with in the scan?
"If by piss him off you mean make Marek scream in pain and barely get up later and have his clothes completely tattered and his head bleed, then yes. Sure it made him angry, but it also clearly injured him."
Check again. The head injury you're describing is shown in the scans you yourself provided after Galen landed in the moat of teeth. All the kinetite did was tatter his clothes and cause him to cry out in pain. While I'm sure it hurt Galen showed no sign of real injury from the attack and his clothes have become burnt and tattered when he's used his own force lightning as we see when he powers the hyper drive of that freighter on Raxus Prime.
"Honestly, I'd go for the novel, but either way you spin it: Galen was in a desparate situation and won via either luck or via cheapshot and prior to that it was Ti who was winning."
So where the comic contradicts the novel we're going to agree to use the novel from now on is what you're saying? Just want to be sure so future issues regarding this don't arise.
"Oh, so the cheap potshots you've been taking at me on CV and KMC are not to spite me? If you say so...
I didn't even know I was taking cheap shots at you.
I said you admitted you trolled, not that you admitted you use weak excuses to get out of debating. But you do that a lot, if I'm being honest.
You actually didn't. You showed a musing by Galen when he didn't have full knowledge of the effect powerful Force users have on the planet's alignment or of the existence of Maris Brood.
Given the only acceptable theories for why Felucia fell to the Dark Side are Brood's corruption of the native Felucians and fall to the Darkside and Shaak's death I'm inclined to go with the third person omniscient source rather then Galen's musings when we know that he has gaps in his knowledge in regards to how Felucia is affected by powerful Force users.
Galen wasn't attempting to and Shaak herself had already established a deep bond with the native population and fauna. Luck isn't an actual factor. There's only logical outcomes and PIS.
Lol. If you think your piss poor arguments will help you wank Shaak go right ahead.
LOL, so much shit to go through, so unorganised and cancerous. Tell you what, Syndicate, if I manage to read your pathetic scramblings that you call "opinions" I might actually respond out of boredom
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