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his only chance would be a surprise AOE attack. i could actually see it happening in a one-fight scenario where they know nothing about him. even if it didn't kill or ko them it would likely take one or 2 and weaken the others to the point he could chi blast them or take them out.
if it comes to melee, he has no chance to beat all 3 of them.
As for simulations, Iron Man (modular suit) solo'd the X-Men simulation... and even Tony's ego didn't stop him from admitting the real X-Men would've given him more trouble.
Ultimate Wolverine easily completed Ult. Beast's X-Men sim, sustaining only minimal damage, getting hit just once.
Nightwing broke Bane's back in the sim...
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They may be nice feats, but in the end, the sim performance =/= performance against real threats.
Which Captain America's shield doesn't actually do because if it did every one of its hits would be useless. As it would absorb kinetic energy when it is both used in defense, and in offense.
Which is again contradicted by things such as Wolverine's claws causing sparks when they hit it. If it absorbed kinetic energy there wouldn't be any force there to be begin, and ergo no sparks.
Re: Iron Fist/w Prep vs Batman, Cassandra Cain, & Nightwing
You've got it backwards. It's the team who needs prep.
Danny can beat the team outright.
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Yes, it does because Captain America's shield clearly does not absorb kinetic energy otherwise it would be useless as a weapon. So, chances are it is Antarctic vibranium or some different vibranium altogether. That, or being mixed with adamantium drastically changed it.
The most out there explanation is that Captain America can somehow control when it absorbs kinetic energy, and when it doesn't absorb kinetic energy but he has no such abilities.
Yeah, typical comic book magic... same with Sue Richards being able to see while invisible or Class 100 characters getting pierced with knives or bullets.
When they fought for the first time in the Cap Annual, there were sparks, too. Doesn't mean much, the shield is still renowned for its excellent kinetic energy absorption, allowing Steve to survive hits from characters like the Hulk.
Adamantium cannot damage other adamantium, it's been stated and shown numerous times in comics. We're not discussing movies here.
The only character who comes remotely close to him in the speed department is Cassandra Cain. And his damage soak isn't exactly chopped liver:
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That's Prince of Orphans Kamehamehaing Danny out of K'un L'un to Earth (Different dimensions.)
And he comes in like Wolverine after Cap knocked him out of the plane in AvX, without a scratch, so it's not all energy resistance.
Also, Danny himself can throw chi balls around:
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No, you don't get to handwave it. Those characters being hurt by knives and bullets doesn't make any sense whatsoever either. I want an actual explanation for this not "comic book magic."
Yet, it clearly doesn't the thousands of times it's used as a weapon.
This is clearly not consistent in it's portrayal, and the writers are being idiots again.
I am not really surprised.
By Moon Knight who isn't anywhere near as strong as Daniel Rand. You need an actual significant amount of force behind an attack in order to damage something made out of the same material.
It's no different than not being able to cut barbed wires without the right kind of scissors.
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i am certainly not going into a feat war here. bats has some crazy damage soak feats and durability feats of his own, has feats to show he is close in speed and dick wouldn't be far behind imo. cass and bats are as skilled (debatably more skilled) and dick is close as well. all 3 also have all their typical gear, and all 3 act as a great team. i don't see any way he takes them 3 on 1 without a surprise attack doing some great damage. if it comes to just cqc they take him out every time imo.
Well, you need to wait for some writer to make one, then. It'll be a long wait...
Yes, he can even hurt guys like Ultimus or Wonder Man with a single shield throw... and nonetheless can also do stuff like wading through Cyclops' optic blast, which is a pure concussive force...
Not by MK and not by Wolverine, either.
Even if it could get damaged - it can't and it's a rather well-known fact - Danny is not really strong enough to perform such a feat.
Refrain from using the simulation showings, as they are dubious at best.
Then we have to go by our own analysis if there isn't one. Since it clearly doesn't absorb kinetic energy then the vibranium it's made out of isn't normal.
You mean how Cyclops was able to push him back with his optic blasts, and how Captain America had to push through it instead of simply strolling through it?
That example supports my argument that it doesn't actually absorb kinetic energy.
Danny is able to hit hard enough to take down helicarriers, send Skaar flying with a punch, defeat the Wrecking Crew, break Thunderball's wrecking ball, and break out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
As well as being able to use chi in order to enhance the striking force of inanimate objects. As seen in the battle simulation with those bullets.
Not my intent to feat war this. Simply trying to prove Danny can take a beating and won't drop at the first gang attack. (Further supporting this, Luke Cage clocked berserk/evil Danny in the back of the head, as hard as he could, and only dropped him to his knee, conscious. So chi amping should raise durability.)
Anyways, I know Batman's no pushover in damage soak himself. He could give Frank Castle a run for his money, using his best stuff..
But unless the Bat Family packs secondary adamantium, how are they going to keep themselves from being taken out by Iron Fist spamming? You saw the Black Panther vs Danny scans, right? Only posted about a million times, until even I got sick of seeing them.
He was messed up pretty badly, and he had a vibranium suit.
So lets say all three surround Danny, move in, and launch an attack. Assume Danny takes a beating, but is with it enough to lash out with an IF.
If any of them take a direct hit, can you see them walking away? Or even if it's a glancing blow/near miss, the Iron Fist has chi trails and creates a sonic boom effect. In many, many Iron Fist stories of the past, he's taken entire groups with a single Fist. Batroc's Brigade, a mob of fifty people when Claremont sent him to "hell", a group of terrorist's in Danny and Luke's early team up's (Luke Cage was knocked down from the shockwave himself, from across the room.)
I'm just wondering how you see this fight playing out, that puts him at a disadvantage.
Maybe if Danny doesn't chi spam or use his IF... But are we assuming he fights "fair" and doesn't chi spam?
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You do recall that time Danny defeated Davos without his chi? When Davos had it, and when he had the accumulated knowledge of every Iron Fist that died in the Anomaly Gem? Simply by being that much of a better martial artist?
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