Yeah...game mechanics shouldn't be used at all, otherwise we could go in various other SW games and find a ton of BS that actually shouldn't happen, yet does anyway.
I'm going to bed, but to clarify my points again before ShootingNova infects them with his retardation:
- Vaylin unleashed an attack that incapacitated Senya and Arcann, and yet Theron Shan managed to survive this. Thus, the fact he likewise survives Revan's cutscene push does not make the feat unimpressive for Revan.
- Theron Shan, Jakarro, and the other non-Force sensitives had a variety of energy shields that protected them from Revan's Force attacks. Thus, they were well defended.
- The dialogue quotes confirm that Revan was pressing the strike team. In the scripted mechanics of the game, Revan ragdolls the NPC characters. This is canonical - there is no argument that it isn't.
All of this is facts. ShootingNova has a personal vendetta against Revan due to his gross superiority to the Jedi Exile, who Revan can one-shot easily.
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I'm not hammering him because his Force waves are weak due to not killing Theron (that's likely PIS). I'm hammering him for not using internal TK or neck-snaps. Which suggests that he was on the defensive in the boss fights.
Well, according to game mechanics, internal damage does go through armor...
Seriously, though? How about Jedi tearing apart droidekas with internal TK whilst their shields are up? Heck, the starfighters in TPM were blowing up droidekas, which proves that even external attacks can penetrate the shields if they're powerful enough.
You're remarkably stupid if you need me to prove that internal attacks get through defenses designed to stop external attacks, lol.
Well, I wasn't hammering Revan for how weak his Force waves were, anyways. Just the fact that he wasn't using internal TK to kill Theron and co, which suggests that he was on the defensive.
Right, but the only difference between these is... a game mechanic. Which is canon according to you, so thanks for trapping yourself in.
So how do you explain the fact that game mechanics can outright contradict cutscenes? For instance, one of your companions might die in a fight but they'll appear in the cutscene afterwards.
When you tell people to leave debates, it shows how desperate you are, lol.
Get back to the kitchen top on Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares.
Last edited by SunRazer on Dec 4th, 2016 at 06:18 AM
No, that was your changed argument. Your original was merely he did not permanent damage.
The fact Revan didn't internally kill them doesn't mean that he was on the defensive. Additionally, since they are all in Battle Meditation, the Force-sensitive protagonists could have thrown up additional Force barriers around the non-Force sensitives if Revan threatened to snap their neck. Given Satele Shan is sitting down and concentrating on the Force, this is certainly possible, given Revan would only have .01 seconds to summon energy to perform such a task.
When have Jedi tore apart droideka's when their shields are still up? And obviously significant external attacks can penetrate the shields - that was made clear when Revan ragdolled them.
Yeah, and then I humiliated you and proved that Vaylin also failed where Revan did - so it wasn't much of a failure.
And no, it doesn't. Revan ragdolled the strike team during the midst of combat.
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What a retard. The quote from Chee states that game-mechanics that aren't story elements are not canonical.
Thus, those alternate versions are non-canonical. Good try but you failed.
The fact your companion dies is not a story element, as evident by the contradiction of the cutscene, and is thus non-canonical.
I don't think anyone reading this would think I'm desperate here.
You already conceded your original argument, and you're new one is about to fall too.
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I've only said that it means he didn't use internal TK, which means that he's on the defensive, or that he was hurling them without inflicting permanent damage, which isn't that great to begin with. If Vaylin failed as well then that just proves how shit she is, lmfao.
Your claim is that Revan ragdolls them all, and yet you think they can throw up Barriers to protect others from being wrecked? lol
Since when were the energy shields story elements, lmfao? Heck, how do you (or Chee) define something as a story element?
Chee's also stated that you can decide what's right between conflicting sources by choosing the "coolest explanation".
I'm not going to take the word of a liar. Show the quote.
No, the fact he didn't use internal telekinesis doesn't mean he was on the defensive. Also, you already claimed Vaylin's power was "unprecedented," so you're lying again.
I don't claim Revan was ragdolled - that's canon. And it's possible, but besides, I provided proof that they can defend themselves from most of Revan's attacks with energy shield. Revan proved capable of ripping through all these shields at the same time though, Jedi and Sith included.
Uh, they're featured in the story mode fight. Given it's a canonical game, you'd need to provide proof that the element in question is for player enjoyment, not story.
You'd fail at that, since ally NPC's having abilities that only impact other NPC's has no relevance to player enjoyment, just adds to the realism of the story.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Dec 4th, 2016 at 06:41 AM
I don't have the books on-hand. I did find this, though:
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Even external TK attacks go through energy shields, as they should.
It definitely shows he isn't on the offensive, or else he'd be able to do it.
Do you even know what I mean by that? I say unprecedented because she hadn't unleashed that level of power in that fight before, meaning that Senya and Arcann couldn't have possibly been prepared for that enraged outburst.
Thanks for conceding on Senya and Arcann and the passive shields part, though.
Show me the "proof" that the shields can withstand TK attacks again.
So anything featured in story mode fights is canon? Including health bars? Chargeable one-shot kills etc?
Anyways, even there, there's contradictions. After beating Baras the first time in the SW storyline, you have him kneeling on the ground as part of the defeated animation which is a "story element" by your claims. Yet when you initiate the cutscene, it starts not with him kneeling (as opposed to Scourge in the Act II finale), but with him upright and laughing.
Heck, he kneels after you beat him the second time, yet the cutscene still begins with him standing. Concession accepted.
No, I'm using that to say that Leland Chee's claims might not always be the best to fall on, lol.
Last edited by SunRazer on Dec 4th, 2016 at 07:05 AM
What? I've never fabricated a quote besides the one instance when I was 12, in which I recall you also confessing to have fabricated quotes in your early days.
You provided a .gif of Obi-Wan Kenobi overpowering the energy shields, not going through them.
You have absolutely no proof that Revan would have used the power if he could.
The fact a character didn't show an ability in battle doesn't mean he couldn't - it means he didn't.
For example, Luke Skywalker didn't end the fight instantly against Darth Caedus with telekinesis.
EDIT:
We know Revan could have killed them when he had them in stasis, but instead decided to kill them slowly.
Thus, it's apparent Revan wasn't directly interested in killing them instantly, making your point mute.
I have no clue what you're talking about.
It's an energy shield - it's functions are to absorb energy. We see it withstanding other Force-based attacks - why is telekinesis the exception?
"Anything that doesn't contradict or exist purely for gameplay is C-canon." --Leland Chee
Health bars exist purely for gameplay. You need to provide proof, however, that the elements you are dismissing "exist purely for gameplay."
Since you cannot, it is C-Canon. We assume that it is C-Canon originally due to the fact it's featured in a canonical game.
Thus, it can only lose it's canoncity, not gain it.
It doesn't hurt my case, so I couldn't care less.
I believe Leland Chee was discussing how he personally decides what goes and what doesn't, not the rules for us individually.
Leland Chee has the power to make things canon if he finds them cool. We do not.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Dec 4th, 2016 at 07:13 AM
You still don't have much of a right to be running around and calling people liars, lol.
You can't conclusively prove it's either.
Because he wants to kill them?
So he wanted to derive pleasure from their pain instead of killing them quickly, even after he had already lost once? lmfao
Of course you don't. Not when it's a concession.
Because we've seen telekinesis operate without regard to them? Because telekinesis can directly affect the individual instead of unleashing waves of energy that can be conventionally absorbed?
Like Baras kneeling after losing the duel, but later standing up again in the cutscene?
The shields you mentioned are purely for gameplay as well. They never once appear in any of the cutscenes.
Which then makes the .gif null. Provide a blatant gif showing telekinesis circumventing energy shields.
The same can be said for Yoda vs Dooku and Luke vs Caedus.
Do you wager Luke couldn't dominate Caedus with the Force again despite doing it already?
Fact of the matter is, characters don't always flesh out their best abilities in real combat.
I imagine I can cite at least twenty examples of this throughout Star Wars fights.
Not necessarily. We don't know the motives of why Revan did what he did. He could have done it due to a variety of reasons.
What matters, however, is we know what he did, and it's evident he wasn't interested in insta-kills.
You've yet to provide any evidence of this whatsoever. Considering your a confirmed liar, you have no credibility for your points to hold any weight. Show proof.
That would be non-canon, as per Leland Chee's guidelines. It contradicts the story.
They don't need to appear in the cutscenes to be canon, stupid. They merely have to not contradict the cutscenes.
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