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Beniboybling
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It hardly matters anyway, Plagueis and even his predecessors were capable of manipulating the Force profoundly on a cosmic/galactic scale, doing so for a planet would be child's play. As for this sun feat? It begs the question of why no one on the space station or any of the nearby moons were effected, so perhaps no. smile


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Kek.

Valkorion does put Darth Plagueis to shame in the aspect of quantifiable showings.

That blurb is a cheap attempt from a publisher to one-up Darth Plagueis rather then an actual effort from the author to establish the supremacy of Darth Plagueis in a credible way. Therefore, secondary and fallible source.

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It hardly matters anyway, Plagueis and even his predecessors were capable of manipulating the Force profoundly on a cosmic/galactic scale, doing so for a planet would be child's play.

Really? And where are these showings?

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion does put Darth Plagueis to shame in the aspect of quantifiable showings.

That blurb is a cheap attempt from the publisher to one-up Darth Plagueis rather then an actual effort from the author to establish the supremacy of Darth Plagueis in a credible way. Therefore, secondary and fallible source.
Dry those tears. sad


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Really? And where are these showings?
Rending a hole in the fabric of the Force and unbalancing it on a galactic scale?


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Dry those tears. sad

I don't need to.

It is not a credible source.

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Unbalancing the Force on a cosmic scale and rending a whole in the fabric of the Force?

Joint effort of Darths Plagueis and Palpatine, with months of effort behind it.

And who rendered that hole? I don't recall anything like that.

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Whole, Beni? lol
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And who rendered that whole?

Tenebrous' master.


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Tenebrous' master.

Quote please.

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Joint effort of Darths Plagueis and Palpatine, with months of effort behind it.
Naturally you have a point considering we lack any contexts for this supposed feat of Valkorion's that pales in comparison in terms of scale and significance regardless?

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And who rendered that hole? I don't recall anything like this.
Yeah, Tenebrous' master.

One hundred years earlier, Tenebrous's Twi'lek Master had opened a small rend in the fabric of the Force, allowing the dark side to be felt by the Jedi Order for the first time in more than eight hundred years.


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One hundred years earlier, Tenebrous's Twi'lek Master had opened a small rend in the fabric of the Force, allowing the dark side to be felt by the Jedi Order for the first time in more than eight hundred years. That had been the inauguration, the commencement of the revenge of the Sith. And now the time had come to enlarge that rend into a gaping hole, a gaping wound, into which the Republic and the Jedi Order would to their own hazard be drawn.

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The rend that Tenebrous's Twi'lek Master had opened in the fabric of the Force had been felt by the Jedi, and already the Order was beginning to show signs of circumspection and languor.


Both from Darth Plagueis


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There is no quote, its an observation of the suns of Ziost and Nathema. Ziost's sun was a blue hypergiant (Class O) but degrades to a mere Sun (Class M). Nor could it be a mere effect of color dilution, as such an effect would only be perceivable from within the atmosphere.


I would actually like proof of this.

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Charles Boyd is SWTOR's lead writer, his statements are just as valid as any author's.


Good thing author statements are non-canon, then. thumb up


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Also wouldn't the solar system's star undergoing a dramatic change in nature and therefore power output slap Ziost out of the goldilocks zone? And yet I don't remember the surface freezing over.


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assuming a universe like star wars would follow everything physics related down to a t.

namely, how we have people that can break the sound barrier and such, and create almost no notable collateral damage from shock waves and such.


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Well if we're going to use conventional physics to make our case, the case has to follow conventional physics. Making exceptions where the logic doesn't check out is arbitrary from obvious reasons.


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The image is far too wide out and would have had the same effect on the station and surrounding moons. Furthermore other images of Nathema make it clear that the sun there also suffered the same effect. Ziost's sun went from a Class-O Sun to a Class G, which is a massive reduction in power output.


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assuming a universe like star wars would follow everything physics related down to a t.


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Well if we're going to use conventional physics to make our case, the case has to follow conventional physics. Making exceptions where the logic doesn't check out is arbitrary from obvious reasons.


i was never even vouching for the legitimacy of AP's claim as I haven't even bothered to look into it myself. Only commenting that expecting Star Wars to follow physics and such is retarded as nearly all the showings we use RL logic/facts to determine it's impressiveness would be shot.

E.I. Plague is vauntedly moving as fast as lightning, and so on.


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i was never even vouching for the legitimacy of AP's claim as I haven't even bothered to look into it myself. Only commenting that expecting Star Wars to follow physics and such is retarded as nearly all the showings we use RL logic/facts to determine it's impressiveness would be shot.


But if the case is based on RL physics how else would you disprove it?


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Naturally you have a point considering we lack any contexts for this supposed feat of Valkorion's that pales in comparison in terms of scale and significance regardless?

I don't recall Valkorion trying to unbalance the Force like that at any point of his lifetime. Therefore, no quantifiable comparison possible in this case. And this is a lame example to cite as a quantifiable showing of power because it represents an exertion of will on a source that offered no resistance to such an effort and the entire development has philosophical underpinnings. Perhaps the Force wanted them to do that so it would have a justification for creating the Chosen One in response and show them that they are not in control?

If Darth Plagueis really had cosmic-level Force powers, he would have one-shotted the Jedi Order and more. He wouldn't have needed an apprentice either. He wouldn't have bothered studying midichlorians. A bunch of assassins would be nothing to him. Think about it.

Valkorion's showings on Zoist firmly put him above Darth Plagueis in power in a quantifiable manner since Darth Plagueis was not even willing to challenge a single professional army on his own, let alone an entire planet worth of opposition including many Jedi. Don't bother trying.

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Yeah, Tenebrous' master.

One hundred years earlier, Tenebrous's Twi'lek Master had opened a small rend in the fabric of the Force, allowing the dark side to be felt by the Jedi Order for the first time in more than eight hundred years.

That is interesting. However, utter lack of context and explanation about how he did that.

That is like saying Hitler defeated much of Europe but no mention of how he accomplished that.

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