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Kenobi vs Maul: How Did It Happen?
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Rockydonovang
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Per Witwer Maul badly underestimated Kenobi in the fight:

https://youtu.be/n3vp15a_Bg4

However it's clear from his and Filoni's statements (and the fight itself) that Maul wasn't Kenobi's equal by this point in time. So the end result would have been th same.

Also note first going into his ROTS warrior stance (th way he used to fight) before quickly realising that's not him anymore. Makes me think more Maul probably would have had stood a decent chance against ROTS Kenobi.

Also of note is Witwer being Filoni's Padawan who is in turn Lucas's Padawan. It's clear he's had a lot of creative input into Animated Maul and likely knows all of Filoni's and Lucas's views on the character.

Personally I take Witwer's opinions over Filoni's. He just makes more sense.

Feloni has authority over maul and lenobi, witwer doesn't, what feloni says trumps what witwer says every day.

Not to mention that the whole maul underestimated Kenobi thing was phrased as an opinion.

What is clear is that in canon, rots maul has to have near parity with rots Kenobi for rebels maul being in vader's range as of rebels to make any sense.

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DarthAnt66
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https://youtu.be/n3vp15a_Bg4


Great find. thumb up It shows that Maul truly didn't grow, he's still thinking he's the same warrior he once was - he's stuck in the past, whereas Obi-Wan's moved on.


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Rockydonovang
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maul truly didn't grow as a character, well spotted

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Darth Thor
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Feloni has authority over maul and lenobi, witwer doesn't, what feloni says trumps what witwer says every day.


Good thing then Witwer knows Filoni's and Lucas's thought on Maul and his fights much better than you or I. And that nothing he said has contradicted Lucas or Filoni in any case.

Witwer himself was heavily involved with the creative process with Maul. And anything he didn't come up with was discussed with him in detail. Like he said he was Filoni's Padawan on the subject. You are not.

So Witwer explaining the scene in such detail is definitely worth more than taking vague quotes from Filoni and probably completely out of context.


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Not to mention that the whole maul underestimated Kenobi thing was phrased as an opinion.



You must have missed the part where he says he discussed the whole scene with Filoni in detail.

Nowhere does he imply it's just his own opinion.



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What is clear is that in canon, rots maul has to have near parity with rots Kenobi for rebels maul being in vader's range as of rebels to make any sense.



Rebels Maul is in Vader's range?

In any case I'm glad you agree there's near parity between ROTS Maul and Kenobi.

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DarthAnt66
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I think his ROTS Maul = ROTS Kenobi quote was a typo. He's actively debated against that stance, like, yesterday.

Totally agreed though. Ignoring Witwer when it regards to Maul is so incredibly strange. Witwer has stated that Dave would explain everything going on in the episodes for hours with every little detail to him before he did the lines so he fully knew what was going on.


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Darth Thor
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^ Yeah plus he's directly had creative input on Maul's character arc. Maul switching calling Opress "Apprentice" from "Brother" was Sam's idea. And that's a pretty big change (for the better) which defines the character.

And just in general Witwer knows Star Wars so will discuss it with Dave and others at Lucasfilm to a level other voice actors probably don't.

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Rockydonovang
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@ant, If you want to dispute my stance on rebels maul, read and bump this:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/prof...-growth/131038/
I'm not realy into getting into depth again but basically, the context of the quote and the question being asked clarifies what the quote says
@thor, compare maul and vader's performance vs ahsoka, it's obvious maul has to be somewhat close to vader. Maul getting "three-shotted" by kenobi was a sybolic choice for a multitude of in universe and out of universe choices.

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@ant, If you want to dispute my stance on rebels maul, read and bump this:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/prof...-growth/131038/


You can't simply go by statements, especially the ones which are vague and open to interpretation like what you're posting.

The Filoni Celebration quote where he says Maul is broken and lost which is why he lost the fight, you claim has nothing to do with combat, yet Filoni gives that as the reason he lost, and Kenobi's new mind set as the reason he's sort of invincible now. So obviously that quote is talking about combat abilities!

Also here by Witwer.. Starts at 1:07:42:

https://youtu.be/gzX5DMgA48Y

Talks about how much of Maul being weak and frail is an act and how much is real. He refused to answer because he wants to keep that as a mystery to audiences.
But he does say that age wise he should be a contemporary of the Alec Guinness Obi-Wan, but then later on gives us the hint by saying the Dark Side ages force users more than the light side. In other words Maul would have aged more than Kenobi.

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New info (sort of) on the fight from behind the scenes on the S3 Blu-Ray:

http://www.theforce.net/story/telev...Clip_175614.asp

Seems to be down to the mind sets of the combatants more than anything else.

Still I think everyone agrees Rebels Ben > Rebels Maul, but point seems to be Maul was always going to underperform on this particular fight.

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New info (sort of) on the fight from behind the scenes on the S3 Blu-Ray:

http://www.theforce.net/story/telev...Clip_175614.asp

Seems to be down to the mind sets of the combatants more than anything else.

Still I think everyone agrees Rebels Ben > Rebels Maul, but point seems to be Maul was always going to underperform on this particular fight.


Link isn't working.


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Darth Thor
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Damn it don't know why it's still not working. Simply copy and pasting the link from force.net


Try the google link?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&a...V6VUc4__UmGrp2Q

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Nothing, weird..


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Darth Thor
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Nope that doesn't work either. Just Google " Dave Filoni talks Maul and Obi-Wan behind the scenes"


Should be the top story on force.net

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Zenwolf
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Alright watched it, nice.


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Darth Thor
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Ah found it on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/XHGv9Oh6sCc

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Rockydonovang
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Now let's see how this gets twisted into proof that rebels maul is<tcw maul

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