You're the one who posted the Spock scan. Then when Stilt showed that it disabled him for virtually no time at all, you made a post stating that your own scan was in fact more irrelevant than his scans had indicated, since it had nothing to do with general durability and it wasn't actually canon. So yeah, when he said "think before you post," he was saying if you know something's irrelevant, don't bother posting it.
I understood the point of your spidey scans, that wasn't exactly a twist ending, my point was that it was just as irrelevant as the Spock scan, since all it was doing was supporting that Wolverine was knocked out by a technique that temporarily bypassed his durability, not overrode it, and that isn't even canon. So it doesn't matter. Which you already knew, because you made those points, not us, which is why I am very confused as to why you're trying to drag us down this rabbit hole.
... but as shown in that scan above, Gorgon DOESN'T necessarily operate in the class of people like Hulk.
Worthwhile to point out, though, knockouts don't depend on sheer force alone.
That's true in real life and in comics. It's also difficult to predict based solely on appearances. Does the following look as impressive as the World War Hulk (WWH) barrage you keep talking about for instance? Yet what punch ultimately proves most effective? (please log in to view the image)
And Wolverine staying conscious from Namor cratering him does little to convince me more specifically head-directed force, even of lesser magnitude, will leave him conscious. Wolvy would have arguably been able to take the following if that were true:
Earlier you responded to one of my challenges in this thread, albeit to Stilt, not yourself. I'll repay the courtesy, partly OUT of courtesy, also because it will help illustrate a point. Exhibit A will be one Elizabeth Braddock, a.k.a. Psylocke. To which you can presumably respond "Psylocke is explicitly superhuman!"
But the answer is, of course, that, during the time of this comic, Psylocke's abilities did not enhance her physical strength beyond relatively normal fit human levels. And she's not using them on her mech-opponent anyway, as the dialogue makes fairly clear:
The second showing here is from some random, human-as-far-as-I-know girl who calls herself The Dragonfly. She's here shattering what looks like solid stone. Psylocke not using her mental abilities to strike the head off a mecha is the more proper answer to your challenge; this one I'm showing mainly because of the point made in the dialogue. Note Madame Qwa reprimanding Dragonfly for being sloppy in her strikes and having labored breathing.
The point Madame Qwa is obviously trying to make is that, done right, martial arts make striking and destroying EASIER from a physical strength standpoint, not harder. The scan that follows is just to demonstrate that Dragonfly is human. A zap from Electro puts her right to sleep. The third scan is just so people can I.D. Where the showing is from.
I found out where that Wolverine feat I was trying to describe yesterday was.
You know that pool-punching incident?
It's apparently from a graphic novel titled "Bloody Choices".
The Wolverine-looking villain's name is "Shiv". His boss is someone named "Bullfinch". Stumbling across a poorer quality version of the 2nd of the following images after Googling everything I could think of yielded that.
You're assuming I'm posting from comics I have in my collection.
That's a bad assumption. You should also consider in all those years of posting what titles I've been posting FROM. You can bet they're not Wolverine titles as a rule.
Now, responding to your numbered items:
1. I don't think you know what "aplomb" means.
2. You'll need to prove the "no adamantium" skeleton part. He shouldn't have his claws if what you saying is true. You DO potentially bring up the point of how retcons and power development over the years should be addressed, however. I'VE never known a time when Wolverine didn't have a healing factor, but there's a chance truly devout Wolverine fans might.
3. The "Healed from a bare skeleton" part was from his fight with the villain, Nitro.
2nd part of the so-called "Nightcrawler" versus Spider-man interaction.
I was originally against the showing because I suspected it involved a doppelgänger of Nightcrawler's who, being a comic book vampire or something of the like, would have power over flight in ADDITION to the inexplicable level of strength he'd been granted. As it is, it turned out, "Nightcrawler" was a SKRULL with extreme strength and flight ability.
A villain with great strength and speedy flight ability in the comic world, of course, can make a victim crash a lot harder than they would in free fall conditions. The dialogue, action, and narration of THIS story, implies the skrulls may have had even more than that going for them ...
(Note: The skrull who masquerades as Angel here was the same skrull who attacked Spider-Man as Nightcrawler.
Ok, so first you post Psylocke knocking off a robots head. Only she's not really knocking it off, she's merely nearly doing so. As you can see in the scan, the head may have been separated from the torso, but the robots "spine" is intact, whereas Wolverine's kick hit so hard that the spine broke off at the bottom of the neck, and the head was sent flying. Not a feat of the same difficulty. And to make matters worse for you, Psylocke even points out that the robots are unusually easy to destroy, unlike a cyborg ninja, who would be harder to damage than a normal human.
No, kicking rocks is not nearly as impressive Wolverine's feat either. And of course martial arts makes it easier to do more damage, so does picking up momentum from flying. Either way, the damage is dealt, so for the purposes of this thread, what matters is how much damage is inflicted, not how that damage is achieved. And even then, barring a character with regular superhuman feats like Karate Kid, your're not going to be able to show me another martial artist capable of replicating Wolverine's kicking feat, so it's all academic. Sorry, you're 0 for 3 so far.
Yeah, I know about Shiv. It's a great feat too, but since you'd already tossed it in the outlier category, I didn't feel the need to elaborate on it. You mostly remembered it right, anyway.
I think we all know what your attempted downplaying of Gorgon means, though. Fact is, Wolverine took an incredible amount of damage, way more than Spider-Man would be dishing out, and managed to stay conscious.
When Wolverine was first created, there was no mention of his adamantium skeleton. In fact, it took four years for him to mention that his bones were unbreakable (Uncanny X-Men 116), and almost another year after that to specify that it was because they were adamantium (Uncanny X-Men 126). UXM 116 was also the first mention of his accelerated healing, while it officially became his power three years later in issue 142.
Which took place immediately before his fight with the Atlantean Royal Guards, which was interrupted by Namor. There was no chance for his healing factor to recharge, so you have to take all of that damage into consideration.
Nope, never used that line back then. I'm not sure where it's from, but it sounds like Larry Hama's Wolverine to me.
I'm genuinely curious what the response to this one will be.
This action, long preceding the Captain America put-down shown above in that story, has Wolverine, with the help of a half dozen or more Hand Ninjas, dropped to the ground after very human-strength level Matt Murdock, a.k.a. Daredevil, hits him on the head once with a hand-held weight.
1. Beautiful, how you conveniently left the part when Logan took a blast from Rachel Phoenix.
2. Matt broke Logan's mind-control for a moment. DD ko'd Parker, btw Beat the shit out of him. Even if we ignore the context, it's far worse than getting dazed, losing your balance, getting impaled on a sword and STILL being perfectly conscious.
Do you even know how Wolverine's HF works, blue? Don't answer, no need.
It amazes me that no one ever seems to have simply sat down and made an illustrated list of some of the things we've been discussing, let alone something with reference information so people can follow.
No wonder people seem to think Wolverine can't be knocked out.
But through just the research I've done the past few days here, I've found Logan dropped or undeniably made 10-count ready at some point with nearly every major hero I've looked at. Here's my list so far:
you basically see motion at first but then if you watch closely its the same slash and stub with both arms. his claws are stuck. at the third scan you see WWH punching him in the face causing his body to twist. watch the next scan wolverine is having his eyes closed he is out. you wana tell me he is fighting with his eyes closed? his position changed because hulk punched him while he is already done, therefor his body is twisting already with the punch.
as i explained, its not a matter of who can punch harder, its a matter of having enough power to make his brain tilt inside of his skull. as i explained earlier, we saw spiderman driving wilverine with his back into a concrete and knocking him out. in order to knock out by bashing his back against the ground one has to have a lot of strength to be able to damage someone like that. so yeah spidys head is not a aoncrete but he has the strength. moving on to durability. we saw wolverine pounding spdys face with his adamantium fists over and over and over again. nothing. didnt break anything as far as his facial structure. the skull is much more dence than facial bones. therefor, i think its also safe to say spidy can take multiple hits to his forehead from same adamantium. overall, those are the reasons why i believe spiderman will knock out wolverine with repeated headbutts.