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Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm aware that this gets out of hand when you start arguing that Dooku can shit on Revan or beat Valkorion in a Force contest, but for all intents and purposes the argument is designed to show first and foremost not just that Dooku can stand up to Yoda but that we all exaggerate the gaps between most characters in general. And for all the claims of "PT wank" being out of hand, I think it's a fair movement given what we've seen in the past. Like, Revan is not ragdolling Dooku or "annihilating him in Force" with a gesture, nor is Malak or every second Sith Lord "destroying" Obi-Wan via the Force, etc. We're just vastly, vastly overexaggerating the gaps here. And the inverse applies also: Dooku isn't easily beating Revan in saber combat nor casually overpowering him in the Force, as I've seen the argument be made recently. Nor is Valkorion falling to every second high-tier character, even considering his oft-cited failings in combat. That's another theme that's coming up recently. There's just too much agenda and anti-agenda going on and we keep feeling the need to exaggerate just how big the gap is between characters. It would be appreciated if we just took the facts as they were and modelled arguments around them, rather than setting up an argument first and selectively looking for facts to support them.

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I'm aware that this gets out of hand when you start arguing that Dooku can shit on Revan or beat Valkorion in a Force contest, but for all intents and purposes the argument is designed to show first and foremost not just that Dooku can stand up to Yoda but that we all exaggerate the gaps between most characters in general. And for all the claims of "PT wank" being out of hand, I think it's a fair movement given what we've seen in the past. Like, Revan is not ragdolling Dooku or "annihilating him in Force" with a gesture, nor is Malak or every second Sith Lord "destroying" Obi-Wan via the Force, etc. We're just vastly, vastly overexaggerating the gaps here. And the inverse applies also: Dooku isn't easily beating Revan in saber combat nor casually overpowering him in the Force, as I've seen the argument be made recently. Nor is Valkorion falling to every second high-tier character, even considering his oft-cited failings in combat. That's another theme that's coming up recently. There's just too much agenda and anti-agenda going on and we keep feeling the need to exaggerate just how big the gap is between characters. It would be appreciated if we just took the facts as they were and modelled arguments around them, rather than setting up an argument first and selectively looking for facts to support them.

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"Ready to finish the Jedi, Dooku stopped when he heard familiar footsteps: Yoda had arrived. The Sith claimed to be more powerful than any Jedi, but Yoda easily absorbed his Force lightning attack. “Much to learn you still have,” he said." - StarWars.Com: Count Dooku Databank.

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Originally posted by Ursumeles
Shame that Ant loves Sidious