I am “not” comparing nuclear bombs to brain tumors.
I am using an analogy to “illustrate” spiritual Truth to help ArtificialGlory understand that children who have health issues (for instance, such as brain tumors), are “affected by” Adam’s sin, but they are “not” being punished for it.
You see, the “wrong choice” of “one man” (i.e. President Harry S. Truman) had “negative”, “adverse”, and “health-altering” effects on other people (including “children”)—but, that does “not” mean that the children are being punished.
“One man” (i.e. President Harry S. Truman) made a “wrong choice” to order atomic bombs to be dropped over Japanese cities.
That “wrong choice” affected “hundreds of thousands of people—including children”.
The wrong choice of “one man” was not the “fault” of children (i.e .they were “not” being punished).
However, even though children were “not” being punished for Truman’s “wrong choice”—they were “still” affected with “health issues” (i.e. cancer, burns, radiation sickness, Leukemia, and other injuries, compounded by illness and malnutrition) because of his “wrong act”.
Similarly, “One man” (i.e. Adam) made a “wrong choice” to sin.
That “wrong choice” affected “all people—including children”.
The wrong choice of “one man” was not the “fault” of children (i.e .they were “not” being punished).
However, even though children were “not” being punished for Adam’s “wrong choice” (i.e. sin/disobedience)—they were “still” affected with “health issues” (i.e. brain tumors, cancer, disorders, etc.) because of his “wrong act” (i.e. sin/disobedience).
But the “good news” is (like I’ve told you before) that even though Adam “disobeyed” God, the Lord Jesus (Who is referred to as the “last Adam”—“obeyed” God. The Lord Jesus did what Adam failed to do. Jesus Christ obeyed God—thus causing “everyone” Who “believes” in Him to be “born again”, and free from the “curse” of the law.
Again, through faith in the “Word of God”, and the “Name” of Jesus we can overcome “many” (right now, and eventually “all” at a later date), of the effects of the curse that Adam let into the world through his sin/disobedience.
But again you shouldn't be using them in an analogy either. Do you get why that makes no sense?
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
You can play word games around that all you like, but the fact is, for that book to be the word of the living God to me automatically requires that I believe that God exists, hence I need faith in his existence.
Unfortunately, faith is worthless. Faith produced some of the worlds most terrible "truths". Faith is the leading cause of the discarding of rational thought in history, through to today.
Also, just as a side note, Adam's original sin seems to have spread it's influence to animals as well, creatures who did not commit original sin anywhere in it's history, and yet they still suffer death through disease. The logic you apply remains faulty.
Now if you really want to be saved, follow what Jesus says here.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
You promote a church, but look at what the bible says of them.
Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Lawyers in that day were the scripture writers but if you do not get that then ------ Isaiah 56:11) "They are shepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way, each on to his unjust gain, to the last one" But do not despair, for the day of judgment is at hand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORD occupy the same time frame. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9) & (Malachi 3:3). In that day, "you will distinguish between the righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18)
Seek Jesus my friend, but not the way the corrupted church and Christianity tells you to. Follow Jesus instead.
Yeah, this is nonsense. God allowed Adam's sin to contaminate the whole world and cause untold suffering for billions of innocents for many millennia. A just God would have limited the consequences to Adam and Adam alone.
There's also a huge difference between dropping nuclear bombs and murder, and a 2 year-old getting a brain tumor. The former two are results of free will by human beings, the latter is not.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
I hear you and agree with the thrust of your argument but you have to separate the lies the church propagates with what scriptures say. Scripture try to teach while churches deceive for the cash.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
I was merely suggesting you make sense. You don't have to follow my suggestions.
Is this satire? In the event that it is not: I wouldn't care if you told me I shouldn't sin. I don't even see how telling a person they shouldn't sin would even be construed as wrong. It's a sin to kill people, should you not be told you shouldn't be doing it?
The catholic church also has a lot of experience of telling people what they should or should not be doing. They tell you that you should not sin. I went to catholic schools from grades K-12, and I heard it said often.
Also yeah I was judging you. People judge each other all the time so I'm not sure why some people seem to behave as if this isn't true. In this case, you put your actions on display on a public forum.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
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I just noticed the custom user title under his poster name. Lol.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
I'm at a loss as to why the words "lot" and "you" were put in quotes lol.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
“Yeah, this is not nonsense. The United States of America allowed President Truman’s sin to contaminate Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan and cause untold suffering for thousands of innocents (including children) for many years. A just United States of America would have limited the consequences to President Truman and President Truman alone.”
Furthermore, you are saying that,
“There's also no difference between dropping nuclear bombs which murdered innocent children, and caused innocent, surviving children to have “health issues”, such as cancer, burns, radiation sickness, Leukemia, and other injuries, compounded by illness and malnutrition—and a 2-year-old children getting brain tumors through “the death-curse” that entered every aspect of the world, which murdered innocent 2-year-old children. The former two are results of President Truman’s free will, the latter is the result of Adam’s free will.
Scientific reliability is proven to work over blind faith in the unexplainable invisible all powerful yet completely hands off creator God.
You attempt to justify God's inaction and previous action with rhetorical nonsense that no sane person commits to. You say that God is all powerful and does not punish for prior sin, yet the stain of Adam's original sin makes his children suffer needlessly, even though he is fully capable of alleviating the innocent of that sin's unjustifiable effect. He is almighty, he has the power, yet refuses to act, even though the reasoning for his non-interferance is proven false innumerable times throughout the bible, including breaking his own rule when he not only allowed, but encouraged the wholesale slaughter of the Egyptians. A sin for a sin is still wrong, even for God.
This here is a historical fact - Religion was originally developed as an institutionalized control mechanism. It was developed by ancient governing bodies as a means to make the bright eyed superstitious masses of the time behave. "Do as you are expected and told by the faith or go to a horrible afterlife after we cut off your head". Every religion shares this exact formula.
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