Wait, what? Sauron has a physical form in Middle Earth in both the books AND the movies. It's even referenced that he only has four fingers on his hand.
Sorry, I know that's off-topic...
But yes, Ewan as Kenobi set between 3 and 4 seems the most likely thing they'll do, I imagine.
No, in the movies, he dissipated after Isildur cut his fingers off. His Necromancer form was hardly physical, same with his later Eye form.
Saruman even comments on this in the FotR film - "Sauron has regained much of his former strength. He cannot yet take physical form, but his spirit has lost none of its potency."
Saruman was just wrong, then. Jackson even intended for Sauron to be there at the battle of the Black Gate, but made last minute changes. And I would argue that his Necromancer form was physical enough.
In the books, Denethor references it. Legolas does too. IIRC, the eye is a metaphor for his Palantir, not his actual physical form.
I know what Jackson intended, I've seen the appendices. Even if we take that into consideration, that's a lot of time between FotR and RotK ending. He cannot yet take physical form. In the movies, nothing contradicts Saruman's statement.
Angry spirit made out of black smoke... not very physical if you ask me
I seem to recall there was a statement in the books about Sauron having only four fingers, now that I think about it. Isildur was such a gentleman there... Jackson's Isildur wasn't satisfied with one finger
The books are pretty adamant about it, I realise. There's more than a few references, now that I think about it.
The movies... I'll grant you are murkier about it. Maybe Jackson when filming FOTR didn't intend to use a physical form for Sauron, but considering Saruman was evil, I'm not sure he wouldn't lie about it anyway. At the very least, I think that the Hobbit was almost a retcon of sorts. At Dol Guldur, we see his actual body several times, in the eye, and with the wraiths in front of him. And with how close we came to having him in ROTK, I'd tend to lean on the side of him having one, as I really don't put much stock in one line from Saruman.
I really don't think Disney gives a shit, tbh. I can see them coming up with something horribly convoluted just to make a movie out of it. They might end up doing an entire movie on Tatooine.
Owen could probably suffocate Maul with his beer gut
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They said in the appendices they wanted to focus on the evil presence aspect, felt everywhere in the Middle-earth, as that was what made Sauron so menacing.
Galadriel messed him up, perhaps he needed time to recover - again. Much shorter than when he has lost the One, obviously.
Fighting Tusken Raiders for the entire movie... oh hell, I'd dig it
Some people didn't watch the films. It's clear he never reclaimed his physical body. Some people obviously cannot comprehend the Lotr films. Probably a Superman fan still upset over Batman's win.
No, I get that. I still think it was something of a retcon though. Assuming Saruman was right.
Hey, it'll either be Tuskens or Jabba, probably. Or some sort of Bounty Hunter. Maybe Vader? I don't know, unless at the end they make it seem like Kenobi dies.
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lol, try harder Quan. Try not to be too bitter about me knowing LOTR better than you.
I have multiple quotes stating he wasn't strong enough to get his physical body back. Jackson didn't sync this up with the books and drastically altered Azog just for an example in the film. He didn't have a physical body in the hobbit, hell even the nine weren't even physical in nature in battle of the five armies until fellowship of the ring.
Sauron never reacquired his physical body. When characters say he hasn't that isn't dialogue meant to lie to the viewer. You're wrong and hilariously so with an obvious plot point.
So statements claiming he can't from the characters in the film and no proof he ever had regained his physically humanoid body is proof to you. I guess despite having a body he didn't feel it was important to do something. This all makes sense to you. This explains a lot. Odd.
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