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Malak is one of my favorite characters, yeah. And I don't dislike Revan outside of TOR. I am actually a huge fan of the Revan presented in the original KotOR games.

Damn, we are more on the same page than I thought.

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And why is that?
To be canon it has to be produced by a Lucas company or officially sanctioned, as per Leland Chee. It's not, so it's not. thumb up


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DarthAnt66
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WotC is officially sanctioned.


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As a liscensee. Doesn't mean everything produced under their name is canon. thumb up


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Says... you? If WOTC has the rights to publish Star Wars content, why on God's name would random content be deemed non-canon?


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Says Leland Chee darling, canon includes any "officially sanctioned fictional element of the Star Wars universe", not "anything produced by SW licensees". The fact that WotC have license to use the Star Wars IP & branding, and have published officially sanctioned material in the past, does not prove that everything they produce is officially sanctioned. Any more than Drew being a liscensed SW author mean he's writing canon in his blogs.

Or in other words there is no proof that this article, written by no one of real authority, has been reviewed and approved by Lucasfilm. Go home Tony, no Revan wank today. sad


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The bottom states: "2003 Lucasfilm Ltd. & or TM where indicated. All rights reserved. Used under authorization."

Your argument is stating that we should ignore every WotC article, despite countless blogs being later referenced by Chee and/or TCSWE.

By having the license, WotC has the liberty to create "officially sanctioned fictional elements" of the Star Wars universe. thumb up


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By having the license, WotC has the liberty to create "officially sanctioned fictional elements" of the Star Wars universe.
*ability

There is no evidence they are free to dictate canon without Lucasfilm approval. That being a legal disclaimer that the rights to the SW IP & branding used in their site belong to Lucasfilm, which they've been given permission to use. It has jack all to do with whether the article in question constitutes continuity, and can be found on any third party site that features the SW IP. As I've explained before.

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Your argument is stating that we should ignore every WotC article, despite countless blogs being later referenced by Chee and/or TCSWE.
Feel free to provide examples, otherwise dry those tears. :'(


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There is no evidence they are free to dictate canon without Lucasfilm approval.


They have Lucas Licensing's approval - they are authorized to make Star Wars content.

Thus, this is a entry made by WotC given the power invested in them by Licensing.

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And feel free to provide some examples, or else dry those tears. :'(


If I do, would that persuade you? I'm not going to waste my time otherwise.

What's with you rotating between the same two cringe insults, anywho?


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The fact they have a license and sanctioned approval under Lucas Licensing to create content would therefore make their content canonical under Legends. For example, Fantasy Flight Games likewise has a license and are making content under Legends at the moment. There's obviously no one reading through the content, but Chee notes it is still Legends anyway. Same should apply here.


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They have Lucas Licensing's approval - they are authorized to make Star Wars content.

Thus, this is a entry made by WotC given the power invested in them by Licensing.
The power to use their IP & branding, not dictate canon. Try again.

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If I do, would that persuade you? I'm not going to waste my time otherwise.

What's with you rotating between the same two cringe insults, anywho?
Sorry, Tony? Can you provide examples or not?

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The fact they have a license and sanctioned approval under Lucas Licensing to create content would therefore make their content canonical under Legends. For example, Fantasy Flight Games likewise has a license and are making content under Legends at the moment. There's obviously no one reading through the content, but Chee notes it is still Legends anyway. Same should apply here.
Terrible equivalency. FFG content is only canon in relation to officially sanctioned source material published under LucasBooks, just like with WotC (the idea it's being vetted by no one being nonsense conjecture on your part). If they used their site to host a freelance blog post like this, it wouldn't be any more credible.

Face it, unless it's a sourcebook. WotC shouldn't be taken seriously. sad


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Just as those books are published under LucasBooks, these articles are under LucasLiscensing. The notion that something has to be for-profit to be considered canonical is absurd. There's no difference between the two situations.

I will give you examples if you confirm to me you'd then consider them when presented, rather than try to dodge the facts like you are here. WotC online is filled with stories, by the way, about random Jedi, Sith, bounty-hunters, etc. The idea that, despite being approved by LL to officially publish material, you consider it all fan-fiction, is just dense.

I'm not going to debate in circles though. You consider everything there non-canon, neat. If I show you explicit examples of content there being recognized as canon, will you bend the knee or will you try to dismiss it from a different angle?


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One example off the top of my head though: WotC "blogs" created Oricon.


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The Darkstaff, I believe, is another example of WotC blogs establishing canon lore.


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Show me your examples, Ant. I am interested.


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Just as those books are published under LucasBooks, these articles are under LucasLiscensing.
No there are not kek, they are published on a website owned by a company authorised by Lucas Liscensing to use their IP. Massive difference. On this basis the PEZ dispenser company can dictate canon as well. laughing out loud

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The notion that something has to be for-profit to be considered canonical is absurd. There's no difference between the two situations.
Strawman does that to an argument, it has nothing to do with them being for profit, it has to do with them being sanctioned source material, had they been free they'd still be valid. no expression

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I will give you examples if you confirm to me you'd then consider them when presented, rather than try to dodge the facts like you are here. WotC online is filled with stories, by the way, about random Jedi, Sith, bounty-hunters, etc. The idea that, despite being approved by LL to officially publish material, you consider it all fan-fiction, is just dense.

I'm not going to debate in circles though. You consider everything there non-canon, neat. If I show you explicit examples of content there being recognized as canon, will you bend the knee or will you try to dismiss it from a different angle?
No that's not how it was works. You provide evidence, or you concede. You don't dictate terms before you've even presented the proof, lmao.

My stance is this poppet, if there is no evidence that the material in question has been officially sanctioned, nor is it produced by a Lucas company, it's not canon.


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Not going to debate in circles, but I cited two examples already of WotC articles being canon: Oricon and the Darkstaff. There's countless other examples.

So no, other legitimate EU material treats WotC as legitimate EU - big shock, because it is, since it has a license to publish Star Wars works (PEZ presumably has one to just make PEZs).


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>WotC gets license to publish official Star Wars RPG-stories
>WotC published official Star Wars RPG-stories
>Beni: "these are not official Star Wars RPG-stories!"
>EU material: "these are official Star Wars RPG-stories."

I'm struggling to see your argument here, Beni.

If they have a license to publish RPG content, all official RPG content by them should be legit.

Not exclusively all material officially read through by Licensing, which isn't a prerequisite for being Legends.

You say that's not true, yet we have sources taking WotC as true, so it seems you're wrong.


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To give a specific, The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia explicitly summarizes a range of stories published under WotC on page 168 of Volume I concerning the Darkstaff.

The EU treats WotC "blogs" as proper EU material for a reason: because it is.


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As another example, a WotC article states The Dark Underlord uses Jar'Kai, a fact that is later referenced in TCSWE as well.

By all accounts, it seems these WotC "blogs" are added to the Holocron. thumb up


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