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Dooku runs the Revan gauntlet
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Greysentinel365
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Well, sure, but since we're talking specifically about Anakin here, it's obviously not that black and white. Anakin is a tier nine as of ROTS. The issue is he is hindered by Jedi restraints and crippling fear, making him a tier eight since he isn't utilizing his tier nine abilities to the fullest. As Dooku notes, he is intentionally restraining himself, but at the end of the fight, Anakin casts aside his restrictions and becomes a tier nine that is, in many respects, greater than Yoda or Darth Sidious. Of course note the distinction between this and Anakin's full-potential, which is not yet attainable for Anakin.


Anakin is only referred to as a 9 when DS.

This comes down to whether or not you want to side with Gillard or the Novel. If Anakin is an 8 at the beginning of the movie. He's not the best and that's all there is too it.

Dooku's treatment in the novel is very much an outlier. The Junior novel has him being inexhaustible and Anakin only able to achieve a stalemate. The movie has Dooku kicking around both of them and is smiling in Anakin's face like a schoolboy all the way until the final 3 blows.

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Anakin being DS and Anakin releasing his restraints are effectively the same thing.

Addressed.

Well, the junior novel has no semblance of authority compared to the novel or film, so let's ignore that. In regards to the film, we see Anakin push Dooku in a retreat up the staircase when they engage in a one on one confrontation. There's not much to say about Anakin vs Dooku until after the Dun Moch since all the fighting is short and constantly interrupted, but we never see Dooku in a retreat like that against Yoda in AOTC. Point being, the film has enough room for differing interpretations that we should refer to the novel, which is the next highest canonical authority since Lucas line-edited it. If contradictions exist, Lucas clearly doesn't seem to think they are significant. In the novel, it paints a clear picture of Anakin's supremacy, so I'm inclined to view the film staircase sequence as, likewise, a visual version of Anakin's domination of Dooku.


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Anakin is not above Yoda or Sidious yet, maybe on their level.
As they literally state, "He will become more powerful than either of us", during their battle.

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Sidious' opinion isn't as valid as various quotes in-universe and from Gillard, kek.

Especially when Sidious also thinks that Anakin is possibly more powerful than himself.


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Anakin is not above Yoda or Sidious yet, maybe on their level.
As they literally state, "He will become more powerful than either of us", during their battle.

Our discussion thus far has mostly been above combative power.

Anakin's applicable power exceeds Sidious and Yoda, but it's clear his mastery is not on their level yet.

Also, what Skillz said. thumb up


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Yeah, I thought Supreme was referring to overall force/combat capabilities.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Anakin being DS and Anakin releasing his restraints are effectively the same thing.

Addressed.

Well, the junior novel has no semblance of authority compared to the novel or film, so let's ignore that. In regards to the film, we see Anakin push Dooku in a retreat up the staircase when they engage in a one on one confrontation. There's not much to say about Anakin vs Dooku until after the Dun Moch since all the fighting is short and constantly interrupted, but we never see Dooku in a retreat like that against Yoda in AOTC. Point being, the film has enough room for differing interpretations that we should refer to the novel, which is the next highest canonical authority since Lucas line-edited it. If contradictions exist, Lucas clearly doesn't seem to think they are significant. In the novel, it paints a clear picture of Anakin's supremacy, so I'm inclined to view the film staircase sequence as, likewise, a visual version of Anakin's domination of Dooku.

What does the script say regarding Anakin vs Dooku?

Also, the senior novel happens to have the depiction of the fight that is the most unaligned with the movie. Likely cause it was based off an earlier script.

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Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Sidious' opinion isn't as valid as various quotes in-universe and from Gillard, kek.

Especially when Sidious also thinks that Anakin is possibly more powerful than himself.

He said potentially more powerful

Potentially means:
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possibly but not yet actually:

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Anakin is on par with or above Yoda, as of Knightfall, tbh.

So you have Anakin on par with Sidious?

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lol @this knightfall wank, its getting out of hand, cut down on the adderall skillz

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lol @this knightfall wank, its getting out of hand, cut down on the adderall skillz

Blasphemy

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Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Anakin is on par with or above Yoda, as of Knightfall, tbh.


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Yoda > Anakin and Kenobi duo.



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Zoltan's back. Must have sensed too much positivity at KMC and has to come rain on some fanboy parades

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You think zoltan's gonna counter anything? Kek. smile


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You think zoltan's gonna counter anything? Kek. smile

No I think Zoltan's going to mock and insult everything.

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Originally posted by ChocolateMuesli
lol @this knightfall wank, its getting out of hand, cut down on the adderall skillz


Gotta acknowledge the facts. smile


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