Book Jaime would stomp Book Ned. Book Jaime is the best natural Swordsmen Barristan ever saw, and GRRM stated that he is possibly the best swordsmen in Westeros. Ned on the other side, was "average".
Book Loras has what to suggest that he could match Jaime? I mean, he's the best jouster in ASOIAF, but combat wise Jaime is, agaian, the best natural swordsmen Selmy ever saw & and the potentially best swordsman in Westeros, hold off The Smiling Knight at the age of 15, cut through the battlefield against Robb while vastly outnumbered & slaughtered Robb's personal guard, while Loras has done what exactly?
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I'm not, though. My point was that Jaime wasn't trying to kill Ned for the whole time, lol.
Okay? Like I said, they're about even/very close.
Yeah, after Jaime realized that Ned is that good. And he didn't struggled until the bladelock.
He didn't hold back in the bladelock, yeah, and realized he needed to go All-Out against Ned. And we know that Jaime held back, but in the end realized that he can't win while toying.
And like I said, Ned and Jaime are on the same level.
i admit i'm stretching with loras vs jamie, but it just seems that jamie see's him as a younger version of himself, in both skill and arrogance.
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this is really all that matters to the topic, and we pretty much agree on what's truly relevant.
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i don't remember that part, but it does ring a bell. do you remember which book? i need context to judge because jaime is not always a reliable narrator imho due to his arrogance and self-deception.
in the section i quoted, jamie does put himself over loras, but quickly gave himself a chiding over "comparing cocks". so it could have been an honest personal assessment of his skills vs loras', or it could have just as easily been his wounded pride speaking, trying to passive aggressively prick loras with a backhanded compliment.
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Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.
But Jaime would kill the best friend of the king/the hand of the king?
Anyway, the creators said Ned tried to kill Jaime, lol.
Also, Jaime fought Brienne, and book-wise, the Smiling Knight.
Ned has no feats in the book lol. Except fighting Three Kingsguard along with nine other man. Jaime fought the Smiling Knights, slaughtered Roob's guard and fought Brienne while massievly hindered.
We know that Book Ned is only a average fighter, while Jaime is one of the best.
Book Ned never defeated Arthur, he explucity says that Howland saved him.
Are we to consider that he decided to let his brother die? I understand your point but the entire reason he confronted Stark was about Tyrion. Once he realized killing Ned would only doom his brother I doubt he went into "kill mode"
Read above.
Agreed
Yes Ned was better than average. Better than most even. But Jaime was considered the very best. Huge difference
I'm aware of Ned's hesitance to compete in tourneys
You can think what you want but there's much evidence pointing to Jaime holding back in that duel. It's possible he started going all out towards the end but that's not a given
I mean D&D confirmed that he was going all-out in the end. That being said, it might refers to the bladelock, and the fight that would've happened after it.
1. It confirms Ned was not holding back so that point can be dropped. 9When Ned fights a man he fights for real)
2. Jaime is indeed toying with Ned at first
3. Once they cross blades Jaime realized Ned is better than he thought
4. Jaime stepped it up after realizing Ned was near or on his level.
5. It could have gone either way meaning that either Ned and Jaime were equals or that they were close enough to have a darn close fight
So I'm altering my answer to this match up. I still think Jaime would win due to the fact he was toying with Ned and Ned was still working for it in the beginning but I no longer think Jaime stomps. IMO Jaime would win 7/10
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