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ROTJ Luke vs Sheev Apprentices
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relentless1
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Why not? Vader even goes in for the kill when Luke has his lightsaber turned off.


Vader telegraphed that strike like morse code dude; before he strikes he says "you are unwise to lower your defences" in a menacing fashion before he takes a second to actually strike the kid
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Darth Thor
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^ Yeah he knew Luke could and would block those strikes.
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Originally posted by Greysentinel365
In canon Luke is legitimately = or slightly superior to Vader.




This has yet to be confirmed.
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^ Yeah he knew Luke could and would block those strikes.


Even then he drove Luke back and put him in a bind quite quickly. Considering this is Luke's only non-amped moment in the fight it says a lot.
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Even then he drove Luke back and put him in a bind quite quickly. Considering this is Luke's only non-amped moment in the fight it says a lot.




But Vader is still conflicted which Luke says in that same scene.
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But Vader is still conflicted which Luke says in that same scene.


Exactly.
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Originally posted by SunRazer
Luke had an advantage whenever he was drawing on his anger, and when he didn't it was more or less a draw despite him fighting defensively. He then proceeded to annihilate Vader with a rage amp.

Based on what was Luke "drawing him" aside from when he drew on his anger? Quotes calling them equal refer to the fight as a whole, not a specific part of the fight when Luke wasn't angry, or even explicitly describe the part of the fight where Luke was amped.

Vader also states he was "tolerating Luke" up until when he's on the balcony.
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Also, IIRC sources outright tell us Luke's prowess with a blade is a match for Vader's.

Post?
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
This has yet to be confirmed.

In the absence of evidence suggesting the opposite, that's what we should go with.
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It's also stated in canon that Vader's prime was Rebels
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It's also stated in canon that Vader's prime was Rebels
Which refers to his commitment to the darkside. And that "prime" refers to any version of Vader who hasn't been redeemed yet, not Rebels specifically.
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Which refers to his commitment to the darkside.


Exactly.

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And that "prime" refers to any version of Vader who hasn't been redeemed yet, not Rebels specifically.


It refers to Vader before he learned he had a son.
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Sure.

Also worth noting that the Vader comic has Vader saying in a vision that he grows more powerful with every step he takes away from Kenobi(post-anh).
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Which refers to his commitment to the darkside. And that "prime" refers to any version of Vader who hasn't been redeemed yet, not Rebels specifically.

Yeah that's my point, so if Vader wasn't as committed to the darkside then he wasn't fighting Luke at 100%
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Sure, but then neither was Luke.
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Sure.

Also worth noting that the Vader comic has Vader saying in a vision that he grows more powerful with every step he takes away from Kenobi(post-anh).


What? Assuming we're thinking about the same scene, I'm fairly certain that was right after RotS.
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In the absence of evidence suggesting the opposite, that's what we should go with.



Except there are evidences suggesting from the old Lucas Canon. And until Disney overwrites that shouldn’t it stand?

There’s also the main issue of Vader being conflicted.
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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Sure, but then neither was Luke.



Luke wasn’t Conflicted. He was Tempted. There’s a difference.

And we know who was far more conflicted due to the end result.
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
What? Assuming we're thinking about the same scene, I'm fairly certain that was right after RotS.

I'm talking about a scene from the less recent Vader comics:
http://www.11comic.com/comic/160811...87/pages_9.html
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lmfao ^


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Yes, I'm sure we should ignore Vader stating he's grown more powerful as it contradicts...what exactly?
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