I never ignored Batman's intelligece. It's irrelevant here as he he's not in this fight. Hulk is stronger than a human, but far beneath Superman. Pitbulls are overrated. They're like 30-35kg, you can easily overpower one.
He didn't stop its progression, it tipped over and it was about to crush Black Widow until Tony blew it up. Superman wasn't at full power when the tower incident happened. We know this because he does more impressive feats once he gets a handle on his abilities in the same movie.
And it's still a meh feat for an elite powerhouse character.
Loki is a weakling, but I guess he could if Thor didn't resist. Muscle size =/= strength.
None of that impacts on his raw speed, however. Also, Flash would never let himself get shot like Slavsilver did.
You can't transfer feats between characters. Has Hulk ever shown the reflexes needed to react to a speedster? Yes or no?
The facts are Abom was beating Hulk's candy ass until he got distracted, and Hulk needed a long time + Betty in danger to amp up enough to defeat Blonsky.
When did Batman tank a serious attack from a full-powered Superman?
Don't change the subject with what I said in another thread. The fact is that the Destroyer is featless.
He didn't outright defeat him in battle. Superman was beating the piss out of Steppenwolf both times he engaged him. Steppenwolf couldn't even land a single hit on him.
A tower fell on Superman and koed him, Hulk withstood an entire skyscraper falling on him without trouble. Hulk is stronger and more durable. Superman will have to bfr to win.
So you admit your point was bad. Prove Superman is stronger because I have a direct comparison that favors the Hulk.
No you can't you're lying.
Yes, he did since it stopped coming forward. His strength stopped a far bigger object than Superman who was also ko'd while Hulk did so casually. Prove he wasn't at full power. No, that's your speculating with inconsistency in fiction which occurs all the time. Fanboys like yourself ignore facts.
No, it isn't. So you are saying humans don't increase in size with greater strength. You're an idiot. Hulk has already shown superhuman strength and his muscles are huge.
False, he tripped and was scared of fighting. He was a noob in this film. Train wreck.
Slower characters have done so. Slower chssrcetrs than WW have hit Superman. Superman isn't the flash so quit trying to transfer feats.
No, Hulk got the proper motivation and beat the shit out of him. Superman need quits fighting when his gf shows up so introduce Lois and he might stop fighting. Lol.
Rewatch the film it wasn't featless.
Superman didn't harm him and he was hurt by WW multiple times and hurt throughout the film. Superman hitting him did next to nothing. Superman flew off while the true heroes took him on. WW led the charge while Superman was given flash duty type responsibility.
My point? You're the one who keeps bringing up Batman. Let's see this direct comparison of yours.
I used to raise caucasian shepards on my grandparents' farm. They male ones can be up to 200lbs. They're not that hard to restrain if you know what you're doing as long as you're not afraid.
Watch the Leviathan scene again. Hulk got pushed back, then the thing tipped over and was about to flatten Steve and Widow before Iron Man blew it up. It's the only only low feat he has not only in the movie, but in all three movies, and it happened right before he started learning how to use his powers. Use your head.
No, you're the idiot. If you actually worked out even once in your life you'd know that strength depends much more on neuromuscular efficiency than it does on pure muscle size. Bodybuilders like Phil Heath dwarf Olympic weightlifters in size and muscularity, but the Oly lifters would destroy them in a strength contest.
That doesn't impact his reflexes, retard. The movie goes out of its way to demonstrate how much faster than a human he is and you still try to ignore it.
What slower characters have tagged Flash? Lets hear it. I'm not transferring anything, Superman was Flash's peer in speed in several scenes.
The "proper motivation" aka rage amp induced by Betty being in danger. Superman has never quit even when depowered he keeps going, unlike Hulk, who can't overcome Abom without external stimuli.
If they are biting you and trying to kill you it's a lot harder to restrain them is the point. A vicious pit bull would maul you.
It vastly outweighs the Hulk but his superhuman strength stopped its progression. He always had super strength he did his best to keep it concealed but even as a child he was saving lives. His strength didn't change so quit acting like his maucles react differently now that they used to. His combat formidability increased but his strength and durability remained the same.
Ironic since you don't know how to use the quote function to break up and specifically address each point. The point is each individual lifters muscles increase in size with strength gains. If they quit working out their muscles will get smaller. Common sense.
I have always said he is much faster than a human but he isn't fast enough to avoid all attacks from humans as proven by Batman. You try to ignore batman's mindset and his loss to say hey look at this scene and this scene only.
Superman was fast enough to react to the flash but he doesn't move around anywhere near that level of speed. Flash didn't really play a vital role in defeating anyone he was comic relief and saved people. That's it.
Emotions and high stakes are a part of the films but you wanting to ignore these situations to act like he's a calm guy who just can't seem to stay angry ignores the Hulks fights. Every hero has to dig deep at times that doesn't mean they are weaker. We see how people respond in pivotal situations but you believe the opposite and try to separate emotions from the characters. Lol.
Superman would win but substitute Hulk for Namek and he can accomplish everything that he did and more: Aka have Superman seriously on the ropes and reeling without noticeable super speed and with just super strength and explosive leaping abilities. However, with flight, super speed, heat vision and freeze breath, Hulk simply doesn't have the tools to beat Clark unless Clark is an idiot.
It's like people forget Doomsday and Zod for 50% didn't have super speed and just jumped everywhere really really fast but we're still able to keep up with Superman. That being said, Fenris is useless. I don't think Superman can knock out and undead invulnerable wolf that could tanks Hulk's hits without a scratch and I have no doubt that it could hurt him but it's a giant f*cking wolf. How could he event be a factor?
Then again, Namek hit Superman with a flying train car from miles away that one of us could have dodged so who knows. Let's not even mention the Batman fight. However, Superman showed more super speed this time around and I'm inclined to think he'll use it more so he should win.
Rage, that makes no sense. Nam-Ek is a Kryptonian with the same powerset as Superman, and that includes speed. Faora demonstrated clear super speed in that same battle. Must every super speed battle be in slow motion so people get it? I guess Snyder gave the audience too much credit.
And btw, Nam never had Superman on the ropes when they were 1v1.
Not gonna argue about pitbulls of all things. Where's that strength comparison of yours?
No, Tony blowing it up stopped it. Hulk would have eventually stopped it, but in this instance he had help. So you think he had the same strength as a child? Superman's power has always been influenced by his mental state. Since he casually crashed through a mountain without any injury in 20 minutes later it's safe to assume that's the case.
No, I just don't bother to. Stop talking about shit you don't understand. I can show you lifters who clean and jerk upwards of 200kg and literally look like they don't even lift.
No, I don't ignore Batman's mindset. What I ignore are showings where Superman was holding back even more than usual and was weakened by kryptonite.
Not true. Superman tagged him and took him out of the fight. He also easily caught up with him later when Flash was speeding to save innocents. It doesn't really matter what role he played, what matters is his speed.
Lol no. With the Hulk his emotional state is a huge part of his powerset. It took him a looong time to get strong enough to overpower Blonsky, time he won't have in a forum fight against Superman.
Pretty obvious that Superman wins this with ridiculous ease.
He was fast enough to make Wonder Woman look frozen. The same Wonder Woman that herself was so fast that she blocked automatic rifle fire from hitting a single civilian in a large crowd.
He is also immensely stronger than Hulk. This Superman has moved a tectonic plate to stop an Earthquake as told to us in BvS.
That's millions of times above anything Hulk has done.
Fight starts. Hulk is frozen. Superman knocks him out.
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Leviathan compared to the tower.
You aren't grasping what I am saying. It flipped over but it wasn't coming directly forward. No, but once he was fully grown his strength didn't increase. No, you're just doing the baseless claim thing again. If he does t have the right environment he doesn't even have super powers which has nothing to do with his mental state. Rewatch Man of Steel.
That doesn't negate the fact if they don't life their muscles will become smaller as opposed to when they weight train. Do you understand now ?
Weakness exploitation always exists and he usually holds back. You just admitted you ignore his personality and mindset in favor of turning him into a powerset.
Batman wanting him dead as opposed to orchestrating his resurrection is entirely different.
So Superman is fast enough to tag him just not as fast just as I said.
His emotional state isn't the same as in that film so moot point. He just turned into the Hulk and easily stopped the Leviathan's straight forward momentum. Superman also gave Batman a lot of time as he did Zod. This out for the kill Superman doesn't exist unless someone is threatening to kill innocents and even then Superman cries after.
False. A headbutt from WW sent him back and she's physically weaker than Thor. Hulk would pounce on Superman as his rage grew. Doomsday was owning Superman one on one.
Lol, Kryptonians having the same powerset is speculation now?
Pretty meh compared to Superman casually towing an Icebreaker through ice or him flying a an entire apartment complex without breaking a sweat. Then there's shifting tectonic plates, overpowering the World Engine while depowered and escaping a mini black hole. That's stuff MCU Hulk can only dream of doing.
It wasn't coming directly forward because of leverage and a shift in momentum, which is my point. Hulk failed to stop it, he only toppled it.
If his strength didn't increase how do you explain him doing much more impressive feats just 15 minutes later in the movie?
Doesn't matter. You originally said Hulk was stronger, because he had bigger muscles. You were proven wrong.
There's no weakness exploitation in this fight. Superman will see two monsters and he'll come at them hard just like he did against Doomsday. Hulk will be lucky if Clark just knocks him out instead of sending his ass into space.
Great, if Batman wants to kill a Superman, who doesn't want to fight, and he has kryptonite on hand he can do it. Not sure how that helps Hulk here though.
Either way he's Flash's peer, which way too fast for Banner to deal with.
You're right, Hulk's emotional state in this fight will be completely different, so he won't have the same strength he did against Abom. Superman doesn't need to be out to kill to beat Hulk. His base strength is higher than Hulk's, he can avoid all of his attacks with ease, and pummel him with hundreds or thousands of punches before Hulk can react. Then there's his flight, ranged attacks, and BFR potential, which Hulk has no answer for.
Is every Knian brought back to life by the mother box ? Nah.
That was a controlled environment of him pulling something. The leviathan was moving towards the Hulk and the tower was moving towards Superman. Durability isn't the same thing here. Hulk gets thrown through buildings as well.
Exaggerations. The world engine feat is massively overblown. Provide the clips so I can educate you.
Hulk's strength changed that which is my point despite the huge weight advantage in the Leviathan's favor. Strength only.
Fiction is inconsistent and always has been. You trying to make sense of it all is hilarious though. You need to prove it.
That and his strength feats. It's just another case in point. I said he has the strength feats and his muscles are clearly bigger. When you don't lift your muscles get amaller. You tried denying that.
Speculation. He didn't stop doomsday and was defeated by the nuke and needed a sun amp whereas Doomsday was fine and recovered on his own.
Point is Superman can't solo the Justice league he can't even beat Batman. Glad you agree and superman never wants to kill. Huge point in my favor.
False, and this wasn't too fast for Batman to deal with. Quit avoiding a slower human is fast enough to react to Superman. Cyborg was also fast enough to attack Superman so quit avoiding all the other showings that contradict your cbr spin on this debate.
Flash wasn't a fighter and was so raw with his owners he tripped over the environment.
He will have greater strength since we see that right after transformation against the Leviathan. He also had two years of more experience being the Hulk in Thor Ragnarok. False, he will avoid some but he will eventually get hit and the tide will turn. He lacks Thor's skill. Iron Man also had flight and Hulk dealt with it just fine just as Doomsday has. Your powerset debating is awful and ignores how these characters fight in the films. Conjecture nonsense.
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