Everyone was weakened except Goku, Broly and Cell. Hell Gohan was half powered and couldn't use an arm and he overpowered someone more than twice his power. I'm just saying Goku could help close that weakness, especially when all 3 are unleashing their limits. Gohan should still have the potential, a pissed of Goku protecting his family definitely gets a raise, and Goten is useless but gets something.
Which is why I'm saying that even if Gohan from half power got up to a 3 times boost which would put his power above Cell's by a lot, they should be able to match that even without factoring in limit breakers. Cell's own power also got blasted back into him as well which would help disintegrate him. All Gohan really has to be is a decent degree above Cell and all that power including Cell's own power should do the rest.
It becomes messier than it should assuming blast levels. Which is why it'd be more reasonable to look at the context of what happened between the beam struggles as opposed to assuming one is way above the other. I personally think the family one is above the father son, you think the opposite. Not getting anywhere.
If you assume the blasts to be of equal power, do Broly or Cell come off looking better in this case? That was my original point or where I was going.
It's still hard for me to take Dabura as seriously anymore (in comparison to Cell) when future Trunks solo'd him in his timeline and he wasn't even shown as SSJ2 at that point yet, although I guess that Dabura could've been weaker in that time like 17 and 18 were for all we know. /shrug Still, it kinda strengthens the notion for me that if Gohan still had all his fighting senses at the time, he would've stomped Dabura, even whilst being weaker than his Cell Games era self.
With Cell and Broly, there's never really been a majority consensus, which is kinda why the topic has been around as long as it has. While Broly's power continuously grows, Cell could also zenkai his way to victory, so I guess it depends on who you think has the higher ceiling cap/limit.
After looking at it again, the SSJ2 aura and spark wasn't there like the other times Trunks assumed the form in DBS. However, I realized I had forgotten that Toei was inconsistent with the SSJ2 sparks, which was also the case with Gohan vs Dabura in the anime apparently (where it looked like Gohan was just SSJ1), or even in the Broly movie 10 where the sparks weren't there with adult Gohan either iirc, but the DBS manga version of the Trunks vs Dabura/Babidi flashback showed the sparks, like the manga version of Gohan vs Dabura (iirc), so yay for consistency there still as expected.
That's pretty much what Trunks did before facing Dabura in his timeline; trained with the Z-sword under Supreme Kai, but yeah, Z-sword Gohan would've beaten Dabura as well.
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Assuming the blasts were equal? I'm honestly not sure.
Though I do feel confident that SPC could survive, regenerate, and possibly zenkai, even IF Broly managed to overpower his beam slightly. /shrug
Given what we've seen Goku, Vegeta, and Freeza do in DBS(all of whom are incorporated in Cell), is that really even a question anymore?
Because it easily overpowered a version of Cell who was logically no less than equal to SSJ2 teen Gohan in general(likely even more powerful.) And if you go with the logic established in the Cell saga itself, that 2-3x differences in power allow you to easily overpower your opponent, then Gohan's beam could have very well been *approaching*(not equal to, mind you) SSJ3-levels. Again, though: it was a one-off that only happened in a moment of extreme duress/need... Much like UI, actually. /shrug
Anywho, Gohan literally coined the phrase "surpassing your limits". Not sure why you'd be surprised by him digging deep like that..?
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Goku beat him via an amp off a group of exhausted SSJ's.
We saw what exhaustion could do to JIREN. I doubt Goku was anywhere near limit breaker Gohan.
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Man idk what this argument is about really. Broly wins and easily too. His power is maximum! That's canon. Galan is just trying to wank Cell but we all know a galaxy buster is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an alleged solar system buster. Hashtagfacts b!tch
But seriously Cell wins. Even if you assume they are even in power, or that Broly can slightly edge Cell in power, Cell is WAY smarter and has a variety of abilities at his disposal. Can you say solar flare + SBC or D Disc? Endgame. Not to mention the regen. I like Broly better but Cell is a mother f*cker
Even if he does keep growing in power, that assumes no limits.
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Cell wont have the luxury of getting energy from 4 other people....neither does he grow in power while fighting as he was drained after taking FPSSJ kamehameha to the face and had to eat senzu to recover...
^ SPC doesn't need extra energy to win. That's the difference.
Also, the next time Cell was blown to smithereens(ie. when he kamikaze'd) he came back with a HUGE powerup. If we're playing the no-limits fallacy game, then the WORST thing Broly could do here is injure Cell.
He's got IT as well.
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Let's see that slow arsed tank dodge one of those.
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Why in god's green earth would you ever assume he was SSJ2 against Broly?
This is how SSJ2 Goku was actually portrayed in the anime: (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
*Note the presence of sparks/lightning, along with very defined/spikey hair. Clearly SSJ2.
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*Note the lack of sparks/lightning, and much less defined/spikey hair. Clearly SSJ1.
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You mean when Goku's hair was blowing all over the place from the energies colliding and whatnot? Christ I hope not, because that'd be one hell of an asspull... Even for him.
I've never seen anyone else on the interweb dig THAT deep for Broly, tbh.
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Mar 25th, 2018 01:36 AM
agree to disagree...i think we had this debate years ago lol i dont care enough anymore
