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Darth Malak vs Exar Kun
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Jaggarath
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Az acting like Malak is just going to lay down on the floor and take a nap as Kun fires laser beams at him.


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Azronger
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And what else is he going to do here exactly? Dodging would only delay the inevitable, so Malak might as well just take a nap and get it over with.


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Jaggarath
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I know you're a terrible critical thinker but, just for once, *think.*

Kun's amulets are blatantly ill-equipped for direct fights. They're not portrayed as something that can be released in a split-second like a Force push. They're clearly something that requires room and time - especially between blasts. You seem to have a mental picture of your head of Kun's amulets firing like a machine gun with each bullet being twice as more powerful, but that's not at all reflected in the actual material. Consider that Kun would have stalemated Droma for hours despite this uber amulet, indicating his inability to use it effectively in close-quarters combat (in contrast to powers Malak wields, like telekinesis and Force stun, which he has utilized beautifully in mid-swing against Revan).


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AncientPower
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I like how you're pretending to know how Force blast works, if fodder like Aleema and Ommin could unleash similar attacks instantly then Kun would have a vastly easier time of it.

Kun clearly wanted to defeat Ulic in a duel, because he was a rival. The same thing Kun afforded to his former master Vodo instead of one-shotting him like he did to Odan-Urr.

But given no such mentality exists here, Kun's going to utilise his vast array of one-shot tier techniques and Malak isn't surviving against a blatantly better Sith in all means of comparison.


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Jaggarath
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I imagine I have an idea. Ommin's amulet is distinct from Kun's in application - it seems to focus his Waves of Hatred ability, not produce blasts of Force energy. Regardless, Ommin never showed the ability to use it as Kun would have to against Malak regardless - unless you take firing it once and being overwhelmed noteworthy.

I find highly unlikely that Kun, directly after getting an amulet and a host of Sith knowledge, going off to challenge his dark-side rival, is going to purely limit the competition to lightsaber skill from the start. That doesn't even make sense - he'd obviously want to also test Droma's proficiency in Sith magics and the like.


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Jaggarath
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(That's not to mention Kun used "all the Sith tricks he learned" against Vodo, so it's likely he tried the amulets and it failed).


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AncientPower
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Except it's specifically referred to as a duel in numerous sources and that it would've gone on as a duel until they were exhausted. It's about honor.

Kun's stated to have outmatched Vodo in all areas of combat, that's pretty clear cut and you singling out one source on the matter isn't changing that.


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Jaggarath
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Being a duel doesn't exclude the idea of Force usage. Yoda vs Sidious and Revan vs Malak are also "duels."

Doesn't address the point, though. My point is the amulets can't be applied in the way Azronger is saying they can, not that Kun simply has to be more powerful than the opponent to use it effectively.


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AncientPower
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Except we have absolutely no evidence of a Force exchange in that fight.

It was weilded in exactly that manner in the only scene we see him use it. And given his power multiplies over the years after this, he's going to be unleashing a far more powerful blast right from the start. Not that Force blast is the only offensive power that Kun can use here with frightening success.


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Kun clearly wanted to defeat Ulic in a duel, because he was a rival. The same thing Kun afforded to his former master Vodo instead of one-shotting him like he did to Odan-Urr.

But given no such mentality exists here, Kun's going to utilise his vast array of one-shot tier techniques and Malak isn't surviving against a blatantly better Sith in all means of comparison.



Why didn't he just annihilate Ood Bnar? Any reason he wanted to duel him as well?


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AncientPower
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Because he was taunting him, as they both knew Ood didn't stand a chance in a duel. Then Ood went super saiyan via Ossus and summoned a barrier strong enough to defend against multiple super nova waves that evidently tore up cities and arguably mountains. Though Ood couldn't properly damage Kun with TK despite this power source.


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One Big Mob
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Are we under the assumption that Kun can raise his rage 100s of thousands of times in a normal fight, which only then can he start doubling his power? Or do we assume it was just him acclimating to his newfound artifact and falling completely to the darkside that allowed him to do this?
Because that was about the maddest he ever got, and it would make sense that this became his new normal as opposed to an amp he can bring out at any time. That never happened again, and only happened once he got the amulet that he didn't know how to control.

He went into an uncontrollable rage when he put on the gauntlet because he hated everything more than anything else and then his power started doubling.

Also amping his rage hundreds of thousands of times is pretty obvious hyperbole. If taken literally, that means Kun had to amp his rage hundreds of thousands of times, and only then could he start doubling powers every pulse. Which would be impractical to say the least.

To back it up becoming his new normal, he one shotted Freedon Nadd with less rage. There's no way he went back to what, 8-16 times less powerful than when he defeated the Wyrm.
You'd think there'd be more emphasis on this huge amp if it wasn't a one off thing. Maybe the proof exist, but even the next issue puts no importance on it and was speaking of his dark side power being amplified through it.


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And if he can just amp blasts to a no limits fallacy mid battle, then I don't see why he wouldn't eventually defeat Sidious with a 256x blast?


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The reason Kun oneshotted Aleema and only dueled Ulic is the same reason exactly the same thing happens in every other duel where you swap out Force blasts for telekinesis.

Aleema is fodder, Ulic isn't.

This thread is purely a question of who is more powerful. There is nothing particularly special about Kun's amulet blasts, aside from the fact they're better at breaking stone than other powers. In terms of combat application it's the same questions being asked with a new coat of paint.


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