Why not? Hes at the bare minimum as fast as the real deal but again, I'm debating against Darksaint so on average, Spiderman is Rhino, Daredevil speed.
I'm using the fact that Morlun got stabbed through by something that doesnt have the fts true adamantium have. Get it. Weapon H chops him in half.
Spiderman and Spock do not share fts. I don't know how many times I can say this. Spiderman reacting to light speeds doesnt mean that Spock can. He isnt as close to being as good as Parker is with his body. And again, Rhino has tagged Spiderman along with others within this speed range. Can you remember those words please so that this speed debate can stop?
Morlun outreacting Spock who doesnt have Parker showings and again, has consistently been tagged by Rhino on average means that speed showing is irrelevant.
If this wasnt you that I was debating against, things would be different Saint, but this is the way you debate and this is what you're going to get. Daredevil level speed Spiderman. Rhino level speed Spiderman. Not impressed. With that said, Weapon H chips him in half.
Outreacting his Spider-Sense which is an automatic passive ability, Ock's active speed feats in Parker's body are irrelevant the ability is the exact same since it's his body and it's passive never been trained or anything, it starts the warning signal exactly the same way it always did in Parker's body.
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I'm debating with YOU, so whatever I said in other threads to other people doesnt matter.
I can accept Surfer (with you) having Rhino level speeds.
This is using YOUR logic. I'm trying to find a middle ground here though. With that said, from what I am seeing, it's all about "no matter the character speed showings, we look at the lows and go from there". I dig it. So what's the conclusion?
Cheetah have human level speeds.
Superman have Batman level speeds (or Lady Shiva, your choice).
Surfer have Rhino level speeds.
Are you good with this? You're either a hypocrite or you are accepting things on all ends. Let me know.
MY STANCE IS THAT WE NEED TO ALSO TAKE SPACE CHEESE FEATS INTO ACCOUNT, AND NOT JUST FOCUS ON COMBAT FEATS ALONE.
Jesus bloody wept lol.
I am trying to show you, YOU, Carver9, that if a person ONLY focusses on combat feats, then stupid conclusions like human level Cheetah arises. Using YOUR Freaking logic lol.
I AM NOT FRICKIN SAYING ONLY LOW FEATS COUNT YOU IMBECILE
This is your post, in your own thread that you created:
Now, what does this mean?
Taken to it's logical conclusion, it means that since Steve Trevor has blitzed Cheetah, he's on her level at her lowest showing.
Her highest showing is blitzing Superman and Flash et so..
Therefore, her AVERAGE (as she only has like two or three showings) is somewhere in between.
Now do you frucking get it???? Her average HAS to be lower than Flash and Superman, because those two are >>>>>>humans.
Read that sentence again. I said I accept fight MOREA, that doesnt mean I dont look at anything else.
What does frucking mean? By the way, can you post the Trevor showing you keep mentioning.
Let's not say her HIGHEST showing is blitzing Superman and Flash...let's say her showing is blitzing Flash and Superman. She consistently fight and does well and sometimes blitz Diana as well. Having speed is common for her.
Anyway, going by his limited durability against piercing attacks, vibranium shrapnel should've reduced him to minced meat... hell, maybe it did, we didn't see shit till he emerged from the dust.
Again, he's a supernatural opponent that couldn't be handled without a plot device of some sort. He probably can recover from damn near anything as long as he's fed, is nowhere in the vicinity of specific radiation type and doesn't get life drain used on himself.
There was some context to Solus dying so easily to Spider-Kaine, right? Or not?
I'm not even arguing for a win for Morlun I've said several times that it's shitty to place Morlun against higher tier characters because he never really fought any (alt Genis being the exception and ironically easily took him out too) all we've seen is him taking on metas and rolling all over them and Wakanda, so far he hasn't really shown an upper limit. That of course does not mean he doesn't have any but it's terrible to quantify. I wouldn't say for example he'd beat Thor but would I see Thor walking through Wakanda like Morlun did? Certainly not. Threads like these are terrible and I usually stay out of them it's just Carter's "argumentation" that got my attention.
"Spider-Man is Rhino level speed"
Hulk is boa constrictor level speed :v
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Lol... I've argued for Spiderman speed on numerous of occasions. It's terrible starting in the middle of an argument because you miss out on a lot. Please read back to see why I said what I said. Boo.
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