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As someone vaccinated, I don't buy the arguments against.

On the other hand, better arguments I've heard point out are that removing individual choice is the surest path for an unethical regime/medical institution to abuse their authority for things not in the publics best interest.


"Think of the children" is an oft used phrase to promote unethical ends.



I also want to point out, this same person was against parents who chose a holistic lifestyle from being forced to treat a cancer with a 90% success rate. I vehemently opposed him on this, as did everyone else involved in the conversation. (Even as I came to understand that one exception can be used to justify literally ANYTHING, once you establish the state has authority to force treatments.)


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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.

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Related story:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...ocid=spartandhp


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Police with guns drawn broke down the door of an Arizona home and ordered three children into the custody of the Department of Child Safety because the parents had refused to take their son who had a fever to the hospital.

Sarah Beck brought her 2-year-old son to Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine and was told he had a temperature of more than 105, according to reports by the Chandler Police Department.
The doctor believed the child could be suffering from a "life-threatening" illness that could not be tested for at the clinic, so she told Beck to take the toddler to the hospital, a police report said. The mother was reluctant because the boy wasn't vaccinated, and she feared "possible repercussions," the report said.
When the doctor found out the child had never made it to the hospital, she called the Department of Child Safety (DCS), which contacted the Chandler Police Department because "there was a present danger to (the child's) health/wellbeing and that he required immediate medical attention," police said.
When police arrived, Beck and her husband, Brooks Bryce, wouldn't let them into the house.
"While on scene, DCS obtained a court order for the temporary custody of the two-year-old child," said a statement from police. "The parents continued to ignore all attempts from DCS and officers to speak with them on the telephone or at the front door."
After one final warning, police broke down the front door.
"They said 'Brooks, you have to come out of your house right now … We have to check on them,' and I said, 'he's doing fine, his temperature is 100 degrees. He's safe, he's asleep, could you please just leave us alone,'" Bryce told NBC affiliate KPNX.
"They saw me, and they asked me to put my hands up," Bryce said.
The father was handcuffed while police checked the home. The couple's three kids were placed in DCS custody.
"I mean, they treated us like criminals, busting in our door. I mean, I don't know what kind of trauma that did to my kids. Where are my kids right now is what I want to know," Beck said.
A lawyer for Beck said in a statement to NBC News that the way in which the children were removed "was clearly unnecessary and well beyond 'reasonable force.'."
The statement continued that Beck "has a fundamental, Constitutionally protected right to the care, custody, and management of her Children. These rights do not evaporate simply because the Department of Child Safety believes they know better."
The police report said that when officers entered the house, two other children were found "in their bedroom, which was covered in stains of unknown origin," the police reports said. "The children advised us they had vomited several times in their beds, and had stains around their mouths."
The home was in "total disarray," said the report. "The children's bedrooms were a mess and dirty with a bunch of items on the ground, which made it difficult to walk in the rooms."
An unsecured shotgun was also found up against a wall next to the parents' bed, the report said.
The 2-year-old and the other children, ages 4 and 6, were brought to Cardon Children's Medical Center, police said.
The Chandler Police Department is seeking one count of child abuse domestic violence charges against each parent.
State Rep. Kelly Townsend, who has worked on legislation requiring the DCS to get a search warrant before removing a child from a home, called the incident a "miscarriage of justice and a shame to the state of Arizona."
"This mother is nearly 9 months pregnant and her baby will be born soon. I have great concern that DCS will also take this infant over a misdiagnosis by the Dr., who thought the child might have meningitis, when actually he had RSV (Respiratory syncytial virus)," Townsend said in a statement March 25.
"I call on DCS to immediately return the children who are also being traumatized due to this misdiagnosis," the statement said. "The parents were correct, the doctor was wrong."
The Department of Child Safety said it could not comment on specific cases, but described the incident as standard practice.
"Two years ago, the DCS supported a law to require DCS specialists to obtain a court order prior to removing a child from their home," and a recently passed amendment gave law enforcement agencies assisting DCS "authority to "use reasonable force to enter any building in which the person named in the removal authorization is or is reasonably believed to be," said a DCS statement.
"Since the laws took effect, DCS specialists have been obtaining court orders in child removals and seeking assistance from law enforcement agencies when necessary to ensure the safety of a child," the statement said.
The Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine did not immediately respond to a request for comment from NBC News.




Some will say they went too far. Others will say the kids life was in danger, and appropriate measures were taken.


"I" say:

Why are deadbeat assholes always able to afford really good lawyers?


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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.

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Any child that can live to adulthood with no vaccines will be a powerful adult. Only the strong survive, and it separates the wheat from the chaff.

Vaccines are cheating though. They don't tell the true strength of our youth. It lets too many low tier people through. If we are to survive as a people, we have to let the kids fend for themselves.

Down with vaccines!


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...ocid=spartandhp



There's a similar article on this incident from a different media source.
The journalist who wrote the article was very biased & sarcastic reporting how this incident played out.

It was quoted as "the doctor was uncertain if the child was vaccinated."
This led me to the opinion that the doctor couldn't be bothered checking on the child's medical background to ascertain the child's vaccination history....roller coasting in SWAT storming the family household.

But this article points out that the child was indeed unvaccinated by the mother's choice & she was worried about the repercussions of further testing...

Basically, I took back my initial opinion of blaming the doctor, which doesn't mean I'm shifting blame to the mother.

Suffice to say, I no longer give a rat's ass to this incident.

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Any child that can live to adulthood with no vaccines will be a powerful adult. Only the strong survive, and it separates the wheat from the chaff.

Vaccines are cheating though. They don't tell the true strength of our youth. It lets too many low tier people through. If we are to survive as a people, we have to let the kids fend for themselves.

Down with vaccines!


Spoken with the immaturity & lack of responsibility of not being a parent. roll eyes (sarcastic)

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Spoken with the immaturity & lack of responsibility of not being a parent. roll eyes (sarcastic)


That’s rich coming from the King Cuck.


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Oh Quan,

It's so nice to know you acknowledge my royal status over you. wink

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Oh Quan,

It's so nice to know you acknowledge my royal status over you. wink


But I’m not Quan. smile


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If I could have every anti-vaxxer lined up on a wall and gunned down live on national television I would.


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Spoken with the immaturity & lack of responsibility of not being a parent. roll eyes (sarcastic)
Vaccination brings weakness and autism.


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Vaccination brings weakness and autism.



I assure you, your views will radically change once you actually have kids.

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OBM and I have nine kids together.


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I assure you, your views will radically change once you actually have kids.


I'm actually pretty certain he's trolling you. stick out tongue

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OBM and I have nine kids together.



Watch out, he's about to cull "the wheat from the chaff."

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I assure you, your views will radically change once you actually have kids.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4987758

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OBM and I have nine kids together.
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8 vaccinated with autism. 1 unvaccinated who outweighs his oldest sibling by 10 pounds of lean body mass


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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4987758

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LOL!

You had me at celebrities "that believe."

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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4987758

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8 vaccinated with autism. 1 unvaccinated who outweighs his oldest sibling by 10 pounds of lean body mass


I see your error there, tho. The trick is to NOT use autism to vaccinate them.

Dammit man.

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LOL!

You had me at celebrities "that believe."
Her child has autism, and now it's worthless to her. She would much rather give it mumps or near-extinct diseases, which should shed a light on how dangerous vaccines are. That's a pretty heartbreaking confession from a PARENT.

Dead children are worth the risk to parents of autistic children. Stop vaccines today!


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I see your error there, tho. The trick is to NOT use autism to vaccinate them.

Dammit man.
Be cool if you could tie off and inject autism into your veins that lasts like a heroin high. Just to walk for an hour or so in the shoes of vaccinated children.


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Be cool if you could tie off and inject autism into your veins that lasts like a heroin high. Just to walk for an hour or so in the shoes of vaccinated children.


I'm sure the temporary autism injections are just around the corner. If not you can always inject them.

Wait, don't we already have those? It's called mobile gaming.

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