No way to tell BUT [SPOILER - highlight to read]: a clone wouldn't have scars, so they'd have to scar them manually, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me either because they'd never get the scars to match 100%. Also, we're never given any indication that Snoke was ever replaced with another clone. Going off the information in the movies TLJ is the first time he's ever been killed. Honestly, those vats were there just to beat us over the head in case we were too stupid to figure it out even though Palpatine literally says "I made Snoke".
Thats what confused me when watching the film. I guess your explanation is as good as any. But is not confirmed one way or the other.
Edit- But I think one thing is clear. The films are allowed to throw canon from novels and comics out of the window. So might as well go back to the old canon levels.
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Despite the fact that [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Palpatine is ultimately the one behind Snoke, I definitely still think Snoke was the one who destroyed the Temple. The movie definitely implies Snoke is an independent entity from Sidious, and the comic seems to lead up to Snoke being behind the whole thing, with the original Ren saying, “The Master will bring in someone else soon enough (which I’m presuming is Snoke bringing in Kylo).
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Almost makes it sound like Ren is who really seduced Ben over to the dark side, and Snoke just sort of... Helped? Dunno exactly what angle Soule is playing here. /shrug
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Sounds fine to me. He is obviously using "Darth Vader" as a generic term for dark sider. He even goes on to say that Ren will be a completely different kind of character.
Independent entity? [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Palpatine straight up made Snoke! Anyway, Snoke has never displayed anything to suggest he can use the force at such a level whereas Sheev literally just did so. Furthermore, we learn it's been Sheev who has been manipulating Kylo all along through the guise of "Vader".
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: By independent entity, I obviously mean that a Snoke isn”t a hollow shell being completely mind controlled by Palpatine; he has his own thoughts and powers independent from Palpatine, and Snoke just takes orders from him (which is supported by the VD). Snoke “never displaying anything to suggest he can destroy the temple with lightning” is kind of bullshit, given Luke (who according to the Ren comic fought Snoke) believes his dark side abilities are as impressive and terrifying as ROTJ Palpatine”s, and he had no clear upper limit in TLJ; we just know he is able to shitstomp Kylo and Rey effortlessly. I don”t see how it makes sense that it”s Sidious when the comic clearly leads up to Snoke being behind it (the KOR saying “the Master will bring us a new member” which is a foreshadowing of Snoke bringing Ben to become Ren, Kylo coming to Snoke at the end after hearing dark voices in his head, Soule saying Snoke is manipulating Kylo, etc.
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Snoke is a hollow shell controlled by Palpatine - he's just a mutated sock-puppet for Palpatine to control.
That's it.
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None of that still puts him anywhere near displaying cosmic lightning capable of destroying buildings. Plus, TROS shows us that the voices Kylo hears in his head are Palpatine not Snoke.
Created by Palpatine or not, Snoke was still very much an independent entity, with his own independent abilities.
And it's not even like Snoke and Palpatine shared some sort of weird hive mind either, as the Visual Dictionary states that Snoke was aware of the dyad between Rey and Kylo, while Palpatine obviously didn't learn about it until late in RoS.
As for the Temple-destroying lightning: it's hard to say. Didn't seem like Ben conjured it, so it's possible that Snoke may have done so in order to drive a bigger wedge between him and the Jedi... But only time will tell.
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Again, all the evidence in the comic points to Snoke being the one directly responsible. Palpatine is likely telling Snoke what to do as far as seducing Kylo, but Snoke is still the one directly doing the dirty work so Palpatine can hide and chill in the Unknown Regions. The fact that Palpatine says he has been every voice in his head does not mean he was masquerading as Snoke, even if we know he was masquerading as Vader, but rather that he was the one controlling Snoke, the guy who talks to Kylo in his head.
Your argument that Snoke “can”t do it” makes absolutely no sense, because we have no idea what the upper limit of Snoke”s powers are, other than that Luke thinks Snoke is on par with ROTJ Palpatine...who happens to be vastly more powerful than the likes of the Bendu. I don”t see where you definitively see that Snoke CAN”T perform a feat, or how you would even go about proving that.
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There is no evidence for anyone as of yet. Hell, it may not have even been through the Force. I'm not saying Snoke didn't do it. But right now, there is no reason to believe he is capable of doing so.
As for the voices, when Sidious says that line he is literally using Snoke's voice for a portion of it. It's clear that all the voices Kylo heard were due to Palpatine even Snoke's voice.
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