What do you think would happen if Danny didn't block that sai when he was on the ground?
Or that kitchen knife?
Even Frank Castle was terrified of her in Ennis's run, which says a lot. He normally doesn't fear characters like Spidey, because he knows he has a moral code against killing.
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Elektra used the same fighting style she always uses, even when shes going non lethal and danny used the same fighting style he always uses in every fight. Neither one was holding back or going harder than normal until the end when Danny had to use a full upper body chi explosion to stop from getting fully beaten
Non lethal though. Elektra is that good able to slice the headband clean off an opponent in mid combat without leaving a scratch. It would have been much easier for Elektra to just kill her than to make that cut, the comic tell us.
Anyways its clear in the same comic that the fight took place that Elektra wasn't trying to kill him or any of the Defenders. She was just trying to gather info and intel.
You should know better than this bsdm. Unless she is under mind controlled like from the Hand or manipulated like from Kingpin (those days are long gone), she isn't killing heroes. Just like the Punisher, she will mess a hero up if they get in her way, in a non lethal way. She certainly will kill a villain, but Ironfist of course isn't a villain.
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We agree it was very competitive. And just a fun read, captured the excitement of cinematic Kung fu fighting better then most comic book martial arts throwdowns. Too bad Bendis had to leave for Superman, he was actually good with Defenders.
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Elektra has owned DD plenty of times. And more than just a really quick squirmish and a brief hold like Shiva had on Bats. Below a brainwashed Elektra dominates DD. Notable moments include Elektra tagging him with shurikens (which is impressive considering his 360 degree radar and everything he had dodged in his career.) Blindspot, DD’s sidekick has to intervene and she breaks his arm. She dominates this fight.
They have had many fights and skirmishes with Elektra definitely holding her own overall. I already showed the only fight between Iron fist and Elektra that was extremely competitive until Danny used chi. I still say she had the edge there until the chi attack, get over it cdtm lol. I don’t see Lady Shiva doing any better there.
Here Elektra takes on 3 members of the assassin guild who have been significantly upgraded. Tiger Shark is much bigger, Jack O'Lantern is covered in fire, and Whiplash has 2 additional arms and a whip in each of his now 4 arms. She quickly severs Whiplash's spine and makes short work out of the rest.
Disarms and quickly defeats Domino. People sometimes look past the very first panel on the last scan. Where Elektra’s sai is at Domino’s throat while she is picking up a shard of glass. She’s dead right there, if Elektra wanted before she is able to raise that shard up.
Now this is something surprising to me. I didn’t realize that the Silver Samurai was class 10 in strength level. Despite that and his other abilities, Elektra still defeated him.
During Enemy of the State, a brainwashed Wolverine is killing everyone, even
former friends and teammates like Northstar. So he is very dangerous here, but Elektra manages to paralyze him twice with her sais. He even comments on how fast she is.
She also critically injured and defeated Wolverine in Redeemer but that art is horrible, so look it up yourself lol.
Which precisely makes it a low showing because she should have been. Elite streets sense, dodge, deflect gunshots from all over even while fighting others, all the time.
Also, while being mind controlled (for months) by Odysseus she was disarmed and knocked back by Rose Wilson, and shot in the azz by Harley Quinn. Another low showing, and she is susceptible to mind control. Something Elektra has done against her opponents occasionally.
I took that more like this in the condition I was in, Shiva would have beaten me. Not that she could never beat Shiva. Because right before she faced Shiva, Strix had to go up against a gauntlet of league of assassins recruits dressed like her Secret 6 team members. Plus she had a minute time limit on each match or those teammates would die. So she started fighting one on one, then two on one, and finally three on one. She won them all but was barely able to stand after such a grueling gauntlet.
Meanwhile Lady Shiva is very freshed and has watched much of Strix's fights. And Shiva would still go on to cheap-shot Strix while she is on her knees recovering. So after all that Strix fights Shiva and does reasonably well all things considering, and breaks Shiva arm. That’s a great feat for Strix and not that impressive for Shiva. Having an advantage over an exhausted and injured Strix certainly is not above what Elektra can do.
Regarding the first time that Shiva fought Cass in recent detective comics, Cass certainly wasn’t at her best especially after learning that Shiva was her month. Shiva repeatedly chastised her for going for “the lesser strike each time.” We saw what happened in the rematch, when Cass was much more focused.
Shiva held off azrael, batman, batwing, Cassandra, etc.. for a time. The team you mentioned isn't as skilled or technological as the one Shiva went up against.
Plus, owning Batman is more impressive, seeing as the opponents he's abused over the last few years (Deathstroke, Bane, etc...) yet, Shiva made short work of him.
Seems like they increased his strength but took away his mutant power there. Even though his power mutant was mentioned in the beginning, strange. I was looking for other references where he was stated to be class 10, of course I didn't find any. Most places don't even list his strength.
Marvel should bring him back. I don't care for the newer one in the suit. Looks like they followed after the movie SS somewhat.
So Elektra has defeated Taskmaster, Hawkeye, Daredevil, Domino, Bullseye, Silver Samurai, Wolverine, Punisher and these are just the major names that people would know. She has other good showing like owning multiple SuperSkrulls.
The Lady Shiva side is basically just this but she grabbed Batman and had him in arm bar. Let's pretend we haven't seen Bruce get out of worse than that. And we are going to ignore not only Batman other fights against her but other members of the bat family as well, when she didn't do as well.
At least Cage isn't hiding though, its pretty obvious his opinion is that Lady Shiva wins just because she is a DC character.
And Cage is a sneaky one, don't think it slipped past me that you snuck 3-booted Karate Kid into this discussion on page 1. Have Shiva faced Karate Kid, Deathstroke, or Bane? I think not, she doesn't get Batman feats.
I'm certainly not even attempting to give Elektra, Wolverine feats or Daredevil feats. My point from the beginning has been when you look at their own feats Elektra is more impressive. She stands on her own, there's no need to play the ABC logic game.
Lady Shiva lives off of other's accomplishes a bit too much, then excuses are made for her less than stellar showings. She has the big grand statements of how nigh unbeatable she is, but her feats doesn't match up to it.
I think I have proven my side. I still might post some of her esoteric abilities when I get around too it. But I never wanted to make an Elektra respect thread here although that's where its headed lol.
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I'd give the edge to elektra if it were pre-flashpoint shiva. But Rebirth Shiva is another beast. Elektra would have trouble with Batman, yet Shiva tooled him quite easily. Hell, she'd have a hard time against Cassandra and Azrael.
Reason I stated Batman's feats, is because Batman would constantly own some of the best streets in DC, but Shiva in the LOS arc was just on another level. Ultimately, it was Ras who took her out, and Batman needed his help.
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Mar 25th, 2020 06:50 PM
Jason is a badass though
but Jason looks sexier doing it
