Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No I didn't say that, proving you don't listen, I said he takes trauma like a human.

Scar tissue is like when goldberg rammed his head into lockers nonstop, he developed a mass of flesh that did not heal correctly, but enabled him to take the damage fine, I know that, the problem is you don't know what you're talking about.

If logan healing is so superior, which it is, he wouldn't have developed scar tissue there, and that wouldn't have helped him take superhuman damage anyways, remembering and scar tissue are too different things, which is why I hate when you bring up crap to look smart, and don't even know what you are talkin about.

Run a spell check.

so now I don't know what I'm talking about because you say so?

pffft.....yeah right....

the thing is you DID say that, that's what you've been saying the entire time...that wolverine heals and deals with damage just like the rest of us only at a much much faster rate..that's been your argument for some time now...and when I call you out on it and paint you into a corner you claim you didn't say that? pathetic.

if wolverine healed just like the rest of us, his brain would NOT be able to physically alter itself in the way that it does....and btw who the **** said anything about scar tissue?....once again you are attacking an argument that I have never made...I said tissue that would be reminiscent of said scar tissue....not that it actually would BE scar tissue...I know enough about logan to know he doesn't have scarring....anyone who knows 20% of the character could figure that one out. Assuming his brain were to alter itself physically in order to protect himself from physical harm the same way it's altered itself to protect him from mental pain, then all your theories about logan's brain boundin around inside his skull are moot......but to be fair this entire conversations become moot at this point.... we WERE debating these characters and everything was just fine, it was even fun, now what are we doing?

debating real world logic where real world logic doesn't apply....do you want to know why wolverine can take unheard of amounts of punishment? because it's his character....he's a god-damned comic book character who isn't bound to the confines of our reality. is it true that in the real world a lot of comic book aspects would be different? of course it is. I'm not about to sit here and defend the ridiculous nature of comic book logic when you parallel it to the real world, cause hardly anything adds up...even human characters like batman and daredevil are completely different from anything they would be in the real world...the fact is however we are not debating the real world here, we are debating comic books and the characters in said books. That's the fun of comics..they are an escapist reality. IF you want to argue real world logic argue it for both sides and simply come to grips that in the real world spiderman doesn't exist..THAT'S the problem with real world logic...it simply takes away everything that we've grown accustomed to reading and loving over the past decades of our lives, it totally defeats the purpose of coming to debate comic book characters because it takes the fun out of what comic book characters are capable of... THAT SAID.......anyone else who wishes to further debate this issue using the comic book characters we've come to know, I'd be perfectly happy having a long winded and intelligent debate with you. But to anyone else who wants to continue discussing real world logic and to keep applying it (to wolverine....and ONLY WOLVERINE 🙄 ) here. all I have to say is, I'm not even going to debate the issue with you....plain and simple. A wolverine bound by the causes and effects of real world physics and anatomy is not a character that I grew up reading about, I don't know what this type of character can do because I've never seen him do anything, hence I'm not going to continue discussing a character I do not know. The wolverine I know is capable of ridiculous shit all the time it's true...but he's still a comic book character in a comic book realm and THAT wolverine isn't getting knocked out by spiderman's punches until proven otherwise...

You guys have a problem with wolverine's character? that's fine. You don't like his feats on account of PIS CIS? that's cool too. But simply because you can't continue to defend spidey against wolverine in terms of HOW WE'VE COME TO KNOW THEM and based on DIRECT COMPARISONS....you're all willing to turn Wolverine into something he's not (that being a real world person)? pfffff please, if you like the real world so much discuss real world people in fighting situations, until then take your whiny bitchfest somewhere else....I came here to debate comic book people, lets do that.

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Originally posted by jinzin
so now I don't know what I'm talking about because you say so?

pffft.....yeah right....

the thing is you DID say that, that's what you've been saying the entire time...that wolverine heals and deals with damage just like the rest of us only at a much much faster rate..that's been your argument for some time now...and when I call you out on it and paint you into a corner you claim you didn't say that? pathetic.

if wolverine healed just like the rest of us, his brain would NOT be able to physically alter itself in the way that it does....and btw who the **** said anything about scar tissue?....once again you are attacking an argument that I have never made...I said tissue that would be reminiscent of said scar tissue....not that it actually would BE scar tissue...I know enough about logan to know he doesn't have scarring....anyone who knows 20% of the character could figure that one out. Assuming his brain were to alter itself physically in order to protect himself from physical harm the same way it's altered itself to protect him from mental pain, then all your theories about logan's brain boundin around inside his skull are moot......but to be fair this entire conversations become moot at this point.... we WERE debating these characters and everything was just fine, it was even fun, now what are we doing?

debating real world logic where real world logic doesn't apply....do you want to know why wolverine can take unheard of amounts of punishment? because it's his character....he's a god-damned comic book character who isn't bound to the confines of our reality. is it true that in the real world a lot of comic book aspects would be different? of course it is. I'm not about to sit here and defend the ridiculous nature of comic book logic when you parallel it to the real world, cause hardly anything adds up...even human characters like batman and daredevil are completely different from anything they would be in the real world...the fact is however we are not debating the real world here, we are debating comic books and the characters in said books. That's the fun of comics..they are an escapist reality. IF you want to argue real world logic argue it for both sides and simply come to grips that in the real world spiderman doesn't exist..THAT'S the problem with real world logic...it simply takes away everything that we've grown accustomed to reading and loving over the past decades of our lives, it totally defeats the purpose of coming to debate comic book characters because it takes the fun out of what comic book characters are capable of... THAT SAID.......anyone else who wishes to further debate this issue using the comic book characters we've come to know, I'd be perfectly happy having a long winded and intelligent debate with you. But to anyone else who wants to continue discussing real world logic and to keep applying it (to wolverine....and ONLY WOLVERINE 🙄 ) here. all I have to say is, I'm not even going to debate the issue with you....plain and simple. A wolverine bound by the causes and effects of real world physics and anatomy is not a character that I grew up reading about, I don't know what this type of character can do because I've never seen him do anything, hence I'm not going to continue discussing a character I do not know. The wolverine I know is capable of ridiculous shit all the time it's true...but he's still a comic book character in a comic book realm and THAT wolverine isn't getting knocked out by spiderman's punches until proven otherwise...

You guys have a problem with wolverine's character? that's fine. You don't like his feats on account of PIS CIS? that's cool too. But simply because you can't continue to defend spidey against wolverine in terms of HOW WE'VE COME TO KNOW THEM and based on DIRECT COMPARISONS....you're all willing to turn Wolverine into something he's not (that being a real world person)? pfffff please, if you like the real world so much discuss real world people in fighting situations, until then take your whiny bitchfest somewhere else....I came here to debate comic book people, lets do that.

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1 I said he takes damage much like a human, I didn't say anything about him having a different brain defense, you use theory because you have no other arguments.

2. Noones making him real, we are talking about reason within his abilities, and until you can understand what PIS/Cis is, than you can consider yourself not worthy of anything else...

Wolverine beats metallo, you aren't even a match anymore..

In a hypothetical match, they are subject to leverage, claims and speed.

You put up alot of pics in wolverinein's favor, how about the one where spiderman whooped his ass right after that?

You are a wolverine fanboy, and you and the same people hop to their threads.

You have yet to counter what I say, so you use the same arguments and smilies, and "marvel agrees"

Marvel made wolverine beat namor, but wait, you think he can too.

You are more reasonable than the others, but a fanboy nonetheless, you aren't even a challenge, none of you or your stooges.

Learn to spell. A typical wolverine fanboy trait.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Me and the CMaster go way back, to like 2 months ago. We's a fuedin' and a fightin'. I remember the day when we were the best of friends, we walked hand in hand with our lollies singing a merry song... I was a tall fellow from a foreign country, and he an uptight short New Yorker, oh the adventures we had...But then, on day he framed me for treason, and I spent eight years in prison. I vowed revenge and learned the sword in prison, and now that I've broken out I have vowed revenge.

I don't have ANYTHING against you, remember the pm's.
Some things you said were wrong, you offended many people by that, I hope you understand.

You may not have said anything about his brain being able to cope and defend itself from harm, but you did state repeatedly that wolverine deals with damage and heals just like everyone else only at a far faster rate....(in fact that was the entirety of your belief for why and how Logan would be so seriously damaged by concussive force). obviously this, while being the general consensus throughout most fan circles, is simply NOT true...if it were, true Logan could not repair the outrageous amounts of damage that he has, he would not be able to replace organs as he has (lungs, eyeballs etc), and his brain would not be able to cope with the damage it's suffered in the way that it has been proven to do. This makes your theories on Logan being KOed or given concussions by characters in spiderman's strength level, just that....THEORIES...nothing more. Considering that nothing about wolverine's character, history, life experiences or feats support your THEORIES, than there is no reason that your theories should be considered to have any validity.... Again you may want to argue "but in the real world", this however is not a real world topic, thus these characters are free to use the abilities and traits that they've been shown to have, free to use them outside the confines of reality.....is wolverine inconsistent? yes, of course he is, it would foolhardy to argue the opposite when everyone can clearly see just how inconsistent the character is. However, so are many many superheroes if not ALL of them. They all have inconsistent moments at one time or another...the thing about wolverine is, so many people hate him so much that they are simply more ready, more willing to make a bigger deal out of his inconsistency than they would otherwise do about another character altogether.... does that make his feats any less credible than another character? no not really. Not to say that him taking a nuke at ground zero, putting down lobo, cutting thanos with bones, or standing up to 2 namor punches without moving is credible, it's just that because of moments like these, countless people are instantly quick to disregard what he's been shown consistently capable of doing....

So you say that you wish to discuss what's within reason of his abilities, that's fine. Does that mean his abilities have to make sense any more than another character? I'll give you a hint, it doesn't. For instance, spiderman's abilities don't make sense, his origin does not make sense, yet we know what his powers are and what he's consistently able to do is generally accepted because it's part of his character....wolverine's the same way...it's part of his character to be able to stand up after getting hit by even class 100 punches...but because people don't like him they don't count what he's consistently proven to be capable of doing as a solidified fact. Sorry but that's just asinine. Spiderman's nonsensical powers and abilities are accepted...than wolverine's are to be the same, end of story. THAT SAID, spidey can't KO Logan, so the point is moot...again.

as far as pics go...I've at this point, shown every damn pic that was in favor of wolverine AND against him....I did actually show the quote unquote "assbeating" wolverine received afterwards, where he was supposedly (lol) begging (lol) for (lol) his life. ridiculous. However no-one cared when someone else put up those pics and all it showed was spiderman hitting Logan...of course as soon as I put up what happened immediately after that (Logan brushing it off like nothing and spiderman passing out) I'M the one labeled for being selective...okay fine you want to call me selective that's okay..but at least have the fortitude to prove it. Go buy the comics and scan any parts you feel I've omitted....thing is, you won't. In terms of direct comparisons I've posted every damn page, nook and cranny, that has to do with spidey vs. wolverine, and wolverine's the one that's looking good by the end of em not spiderman.... if that's selective than take it up with marvel cause I haven't omitted anything.

The sad fact is this, I HAVE countered everything you've said, as have others. You simply refuse to believe or accept our counters, let alone entertain them, so when we get sick of you ignoring our actually well thought out points we just give you a "well marvel agrees with us and not you" cause it doesn't matter if we explain something to you or not. You have seriously selective reading skills and a problem following trains of thought...not our problem. And yes these fights are subject to claims of leverage, and speed....but you act as if that statement helps your argument. These fights are also subject to an assload of other points, counter points, proof, theories, givens, scenarios, and other countless factors, that's why threads like these keep going and going...what however was your point here? did you even have one?

Again wolverine can beat metallo huh? i said maybe wolverine has a shot, maybe, and I said this after I claimed metallo would most likely beat his ass into the ground....and yet you prove me right again in the fact that you DO indeed have selective reading skills because all you saw was "wolverine can beat metallo" which I'm still waiting for you to correctly quote me on...but once again you can not...you can't support your claims, your theories, your feats, or your accusations ever. And you constantly fail to do so, constantly fail to impress. And yes I think that wolverine can beat namor, I also gave some damn good reasons as to why....but you act as if my claim in ANOTHER vs. topic is actually relevant to THIS FIGHT....it's not that surprising as you've tried this tactic in the past....it's clear to me that you're obviously scraping the bottom of the bucket to make any decent attempt at a counter whatsoever at this point. As if my spelling and grammar had anything to do with the points I was making...you can't quite seem to adequately deal with the facts and the points I bring to the table so you choose to attack something else entirely that has nothing to do with the fight at hand...it's truly quite pathetic....

I would further argue my thoughts about this but I doubt you'll be able to read this entire post and accurately follow along...so with that, all i have left is....wolverine's statistically more dangerous, wolverines proven to be the better of the two (and consistently at that), wolverine has a lot of people that hate him and try to make him out to be something he's not....too bad it doesn't change the fact that wolverine IS going to win this fight...spiderman's not used to fighting on the level wolverine's accustomed to, wolverine just keeps coming until something is dead........................spiderman won't win this....

Can you post the whole fight Jinzin?

i already have...somewhere in here...

"true....maybe wolvie could take this too..."

nuff said

You always discard common sense as opinionated, when wolverine can be ko'ed by a hit from a skilled martial artist. You didn't counter anything hypothetically, because you cannot, you say wolverine did this here, in all of the threads.

You've counterd nothing, but agreed with what I said about the webbing in the first place, so you go in all the wolverine threads and show nothing

fanboy arguments, you're no different than logan87

wolverine beating metallo, nuff said there, marvel agrees argument, why dont you jack off to pics of wolverine beating carnage.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Can you post the whole fight Jinzin?

Jinzin's specialty, to leave out any part that hurts his argument, he lost his credibility long ago.

That was when spiderman thought he was an imposter.

These matches are to leave a questionmark, spiderman would send logan flying.

Na jinzin, is the man. Your good too

Yes he's the man supporting wolverine all the time.

"Wolverine wins because Spiderman can't fight on his level"

Fanboy argment, spiderman hardly tries, and when he does, wolverine is in BIG trouble, thats obvious.

He sounds like derrick24 now.

So wolverine can't hit spidey ever, not even once? Thats all it takes. I guess the kingpin is the shit then, tagging spidey.

"true....maybe wolvie could take this too..."
Well there you have it, the proof is in the pudding...."MAYBE he COULD win".....equates to "wolverine will beat metallo" in your mind. It's no longer a question to me as to why you contorted the MK14 fight example into a situation where wolverine was begging for his life...you can't even understand what ideas simplistic words are meant to convey, it's no wonder why you have trouble following long thought out trains of thought.

Again...you fail to impress......

Common sense IS opinionated when you try to apply it to one fictional character but ONLY ONE fictional character (i.e. wolverine)...at the very least it is extremely subjective....wolverine doesn't get KOed on average unless A) there's something already wrong with him, such as he's poisoned, brainwashed, or just finished fighting multitudes of opponents....or B) he gets hit with a cheap shot. Considering that, the one, MAYBE two examples YOU might be able to dig up of wolverine being KOed by street levels holds very little...I mean VERY LITTLE water.

For instance, daredevil KOed spiderman in a fist fight, and was able to trick his spider sense with nothing but a billy club. By that logic, batman, a hero who hits harder, fights better, and has more resources and intelligence at his disposal would take spiderman apart at the seams. However you would continue to argue all the high end feats of spiderman and claim that I'm not using spiderman at his best to it doesn't count, inspite of the fact that spidey was in bloodlust mode. Well, you're doing the exact same thing to Wolverine here...which takes more precedence? and why? are we not to use these characters at their best but also within the confines of their own consistency?...I could easily discard anything you bring up as PIS CIS as you have done for wolverine as well (i.e. his healing factor) but I won't. Fact is spiderman's not guaranteed to put logan down with one good hit, or even a flurry of them for that matter, Logan however, only needs one hit to end this.

And yes we did counter, and counter, and counter, and we countered effectively at that. Again you either didn't follow trains of thought during said counter points, or you simply discarded them because you did not agree with them. You are never able to support your own claims with any amount of evidence countable as proof and that hasn't changed.....you say we have to use real world logic but you only apply said logic to whom it suits you, you say we can't use feats because they're inconsistent WHEN IT SUITS YOU, you say that superhero vs. hero examples don't count because PIS is always involved WHEN IT SUITS YOU, you say we can't use crossovers because of more of the same, and finally we can't even use hero vs. villain examples because villains are always meant to lose....

what else left are we to argue with other than theories? When we give you theories you ignore them, there's nothing left to use with you to make an effective argument because you've taken away everything that makes the character who and what they are....well sorry I'm not playing into that game, despite how many posts you have, or how many times you come here, it's not the cordera vs. forum, and these fights are not bound by YOUR RULES....that said...wolverine, UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE....will win this fight.

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

We like to use spiderman at his weakest showings, and bullshit that logan can't do, and say accept it.

DD has taken care of wolverine, and so has elecktra, I don't think they'd beat him though.

I have a reasonable view of wolverine.

And for jiznin's theory.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htm

You don't seem to think that writers keep those powers of wolverine's in check, he does accelerate the healing process, and he dies from a vital organ loss,

Stats are the common sense here, not PIS/CiS

Jinzin didn't like stats until that shitty one putting wolverine on iron mans level came out, and had everyone below that.

Everyone knows that spiderman is statistically higher than wolverine.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
wolverine beating metallo, nuff said there, marvel agrees argument, why dont you jack off to pics of wolverine beating carnage.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Jinzin's specialty, to leave out any part that hurts his argument, he lost his credibility long ago.

That was when spiderman thought he was an imposter.

These matches are to leave a questionmark, spiderman would send logan flying.

credability: the quality of being believable or trustworthy

I support my arguments with proof..you don't
I don't make up crap on the fly....you do

who's less credible? I may have the tendancy to be an ass..but that has nothing to do with credibility...

Originally posted by jinzin
"true....maybe wolvie could take this too..."
Well there you have it, the proof is in the pudding...."MAYBE he COULD win".....equates to "wolverine will beat metallo" in your mind. It's no longer a question to me as to why you contorted the MK14 fight example into a situation where wolverine was begging for his life...you can't even understand what ideas simplistic words are meant to convey, it's no wonder why you have trouble following long thought out trains of thought.

Again...you fail to impress......

Common sense IS opinionated when you try to apply it to one fictional character but ONLY ONE fictional character (i.e. wolverine)...at the very least it is extremely subjective....wolverine doesn't get KOed on average unless A) there's something already wrong with him, such as he's poisoned, brainwashed, or just finished fighting multitudes of opponents....or B) he gets hit with a cheap shot. Considering that, the one, MAYBE two examples YOU might be able to dig up of wolverine being KOed by street levels holds very little...I mean VERY LITTLE water.

For instance, daredevil KOed spiderman in a fist fight, and was able to trick his spider sense with nothing but a billy club. By that logic, batman, a hero who hits harder, fights better, and has more resources and intelligence at his disposal would take spiderman apart at the seams. However you would continue to argue all the high end feats of spiderman and claim that I'm not using spiderman at his best to it doesn't count, inspite of the fact that spidey was in bloodlust mode. Well, you're doing the exact same thing to Wolverine here...which takes more precedence? and why? are we not to use these characters at their best but also within the confines of their own consistency?...I could easily discard anything you bring up as PIS CIS as you have done for wolverine as well (i.e. his healing factor) but I won't. Fact is spiderman's not guaranteed to put logan down with one good hit, or even a flurry of them for that matter, Logan however, only needs one hit to end this.

And yes we did counter, and counter, and counter, and we countered effectively at that. Again you either didn't follow trains of thought during said counter points, or you simply discarded them because you did not agree with them. You are never able to support your own claims with any amount of evidence countable as proof and that hasn't changed.....you say we have to use real world logic but you only apply said logic to whom it suits you, you say we can't use feats because they're inconsistent WHEN IT SUITS YOU, you say that superhero vs. hero examples don't count because PIS is always involved WHEN IT SUITS YOU, you say we can't use crossovers because of more of the same, and finally we can't even use hero vs. villain examples because villains are always meant to lose....

what else left are we to argue with other than theories? When we give you theories you ignore them, there's nothing left to use with you to make an effective argument because you've taken away everything that makes the character who and what they are....well sorry I'm not playing into that game, despite how many posts you have, or how many times you come here, it's not the cordera vs. forum, and these fights are not bound by YOUR RULES....that said...wolverine, UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE....will win this fight.

I've ignored nothing, and I'm not buying your wolverine wins argument either, your credibility has gone down the drain.

I think the fact that namor lost to wolverine a guy that ko's hulk with one punch is absurd, but you use that in your arguments.

I haven't done anything to suit me, when have I exaggerated spiderman's powers?

You don't know what PIS/CIS is, and the best argument you give on other threads is, wolverine can do it, you did it on all the threads today.

I've not countered? excuse me I've been the one here more than anyone else countering the arguments.

Here's you arguments:

wolverine took hits from the hulk

batman took a hit from superman

I've no need for pis cis, because you give sloppy counters, when I bring something in you look like an ass, cause you usually don'tknow what the hell your're talking about.

Batmans going to roll out of spidermans punch, he's going to have his batmobile, these are most of your counters, stuff that shows you don't know what hypothetical means, and that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, so i water down my post.

Just like when you wen't around with batman beat amazo. You leave out anything until someone proves you wrong.

Come on CM, don't get mad because Wolverine could beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a Rookie compared to Wolverine.

Spidey goes to hit Wolverine, witch is when he gets close and slash. The end.

Originally posted by jinzin
credability: the quality of being believable or trustworthy

I support my arguments with proof..you don't
I don't make up crap on the fly....you do

who's less credible? I may have the tendancy to be an ass..but that has nothing to do with credibility...

I make up stuff on the fly, becuase you guys never know what the hell you are talking about.

batman hits harder than spiderman, he will roll out of hits, wolverine is slightly slower than spiderman, whatever.

wolverine beats metallo, wolverine beats hulk, and carnage.

You are good for scanning pics, I've proven my points fine, you are just bitter, which is why everyone knows I own you on these threads.

a fanboy has no credibility, you are one.

go scan something.

Originally posted by Logan 87
Come on CM, don't get mad because Wolverine could beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a Rookie compared to Wolverine.

Spidey goes to hit Wolverine, witch is when he gets close and slash. The end.

could beat spiderman, you think I'm listening to fanboys

Spiderman has been a hero longer than wolverine, a typical wolverine argument.

Spiderman beat the sinister six.