Originally posted by jrodslam
No he wasnt.No youre wrong. Elektra told the guy to call S.H.I.E.L.D. because Wolverine got baited, then she fired.Youll notice that Elektras first shot missed because Gorgon cut her gun barrel and all the agents were looking at him afterwards. Where did Hydra claim S.H.I.E.L.D was on their way? No where. It was Daredevil who stated that he had a beeper and would be there soon. Thats how Hydra found out. Another reason proven that they werent on the way was because even Gorgon stated that they were all occupied with other duties and if called, the closest one is 18 min away.
She hoped Wolverine showed up. If he suspected he would, she would have been called S.H.I.E.L.D. instead of camping out with 10 troops. Yet it came as a surprise to her when he did show up. Thats why she wanted to call for "All the backup teams and meat wagons." She wasnt prepared for Wolvie to show up at all.
all speculatation disproved by the proof in the pages.. I'm not surprised..
Originally posted by jinzin
why?the mission was to bait elektra in.. he had to keep the bait going until they knew they had elektra downed... no way of telling that gorgon was going to succeed or not and they had to be prepared for him not to be.. you're running off speculation...
Gorgon said - " Our agent Wolverine may or may not have murdered Matt Murdock by now-"
Meaning Wolverine WAS supposed to kill DD.
If Gorgon didnt succeed, he would have been ported out just like Wolvie.
Notice when DD took Wolvie down, controls said.....
Control 1 - "Why isnt he responding to our instructions?"
Control 2 - "His system's gone into shock. Im contacting the technicians now and organizing a space-shift. We need to BRING HIM IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE."
Thats why Wolvie was saying that he didint have much time to tell Matt the news.
Thus, Gorgon's mission was to capture Elektra and Wolvie was to kill Matt. However Gorgon wasnt sure if Wolvie Completed his mission at the time.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Gorgon said - " Our agent Wolverine may or may not have murdered Matt Murdock by now-"Meaning Wolverine WAS supposed to kill DD.
If Gorgon didnt succeed, he would have been ported out just like Wolvie.
Notice when DD took Wolvie down, controls said.....
Control 1 - "Why isnt he responding to our instructions?"
Control 2 - "His system's gone into shock. Im contacting the technicians now and organizing a space-shift. We need to BRING HIM IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE."
Thats why Wolvie was saying that he didint have much time to tell Matt the news.
Thus, Gorgon's mission was to capture Elektra and Wolvie was to kill Matt. However Gorgon wasnt sure if Wolvie Completed his mission at the time.
no it means he didn't know specifically what his mission was.. though while I will admit after hydra gives him the go-ahead to kill dd he does take delight in the idea.. his original mission. the mission that took place for the duration was one of baiting...
suspecting doesn't = knowing.. she suspected wolverine to show up and was prepared for it.. not for gorgon.. if she suspected him it would have been different.... that much is certain..
and if it was one of those guards who was supposed to call in shield than how do you know elektra could have at all? it's not like she had ample time with gorgon moving in fast and then immediately putting her life in danger...
Originally posted by jrodslam
From what i gather from the rules is that each character has to fight Bloodlusted to the point where they are fighting to the best of their abilities.Not bloodlusted to the point where they fight wreckless and stupid.
but IN CHARACTER... either spidey's in bloodlust and or not.. if so he fights like caca...
Originally posted by jinzin
but IN CHARACTER... either spidey's in bloodlust and or not.. if so he fights like caca...
I agree.
However he can be bloodlusted in a way that hes mind-controlled and fights stupid.
Or
Bloodlusted in a way that someone just killed Mary Jane and hes gonna whoop that ass, but still fighting smart. Just applying more of his abilities.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I agree.However he can be bloodlusted in a way that hes mind-controlled and fights stupid.
Or
Bloodlusted in a way that someone just killed Mary Jane and hes gonna whoop that ass, but still fighting smart. Just applying more of his abilities.
wouldn't min control have to be specified by the thread starter.. as mind control is out of character?
Originally posted by jinzin
wouldn't min control have to be specified by the thread starter.. as mind control is out of character?
I guess, but i was referring to the forum rules.
A character can be bloodlusted but still fight smart and to their full abilities.
A character can also be bloodlusted and fight like an idiot.
Im only assuming we take the version of character when bloodlusted and fighting to their abilities over them not doing so.
but it says in character at the end of it.. if you were going to argue for a spiderman that was in bloodlust but fighting using his abilities at their peak than that's not arguing for a spiderman how he's consistently presented.. thus out of character..
like you said it's as if he's brainwashed, or a completely different person for that to work.. otherwise CIS applies..
Originally posted by jinzin
but it says in character at the end of it.. if you were going to argue for a spiderman that was in bloodlust but fighting using his abilities at their peak than that's not arguing for a spiderman how he's consistently presented.. thus out of character..like you said it's as if he's brainwashed, or a completely different person for that to work.. otherwise CIS applies..
in fact cis isn't exempt from the debates.. so like I said.. either spiderman's in bloodlust or he's not.. if so he fight like crapola.. if not he's still got his mental limitations..
Originally posted by jinzinI still disagree, and furthermore fighting his best (using the wisest extents of his powers) is very much different from fighting animal-like.
in fact cis isn't exempt from the debates.. so like I said.. either spiderman's in bloodlust or he's not.. if so he fight like crapola.. if not he's still got his mental limitations..