Originally posted by willRules
Im not soo sure...........Logan only has his durability going for him in this fight, but becoming a human punching bag for a guy who punches tons and tons in a few seconds, won't help much...................
Originally posted by TheKahn
All it would take is a single car on top of Wolverine to take him out of the fight.
also spiderman is gonna be too buisy dodging his ass off to pick up a car, third wolverine's not just gonna stand there and let that happen and finally, since when did spiderman get the amazing ability to generate cars from his ass?
this is supposedly an arena setting remember?
Originally posted by willRules
😆Comparing spidey's stats and logan's, im not sure Logan's best is enough to put spidey down.............
guess you're not aware of the power chart that rated wolverine as having an overall 9 while spiderman got an 8...
hmm as far as putting spiderman down.. well it only takes one good hit and wolverine's already proven that...
Originally posted by thesilverspider
We will continue this soon..........👿
indeed.
Originally posted by thesilverspider
I'm a Spidey fanboy and I hate Wolverine but I would admit that Wolvie's best is more then enough to take spidey.
But Spidey still wins the majority........... 🙂
Originally posted by willRules
Im not soo sure...........Logan only has his durability going for him in this fight, but becoming a human punching bag for a guy who punches tons and tons in a few seconds, won't help much...................
it did before... 😄
Originally posted by thesilverspider
Wolvie's taken much much worse then a car....... 😉
I meant the physical weight of the car. If you put a 3000lb auto on top of Wolverine, he wouldn't have the strength to get it off of him (epically after Spidey anchored it to the ground with webs).
Spidey may not be able to ko Wolverine but he has many options on how to disable him. Even in an arena fight, Spiderman's webs grant him the ability to slow down and eventually trap Wolverine
Spiderman vs Wolverine
Strength - Spiderman
Speed - Spiderman
Durability - Wolverine
Mobility - Spiderman
Senses - Spiderman - Wolverine's are good, but the Spider sense is better
Fighting skills - Wolverine
Winner: Spiderman
Why would Spiderman win? His speed, strength, and spider sense give him an incredible advantage in this fight. Spiderman could simply stand still and allow Wolverine to attack him. Given his enhanced reflexes and Spider sense he should be able to deflect any incoming strike from Wolverine (particularly claw attacks as these are the only ones that really are a threat).
For example if Wolverine were to try and slash Spiderman, Spidey has the speed, reflexes, and strength to simply grab Wolverine's wrist and stop the attack (considering Spiderman has caught bullets out of the air before his upgrades). He could then throw Wolverine across the battle field to gain some distance between the two.
This wouldn't be enough to win the fight, however. Wolverine's durability makes a ko unlikely. But with the new distance between the them, Spiderman could take the opportunity to use his webs against Wolverine. Now I know many will claim that Wolverine can simply cut through the webbing and this is true is certain circumstances.
However, if Spiderman were to web Wolverine's arms to his body (say from the shoulder to the mid-forearm) then Wolverine would not be able to free himself. He wouldn't have the articulation in his wrist to get his claws in position to cut the webs and his lacks the physical strength to break free.
This may take some time before Spiderman is able to make the right shot but eventually he would get the right angle and succeed in trapping Wolverine (given that he has webbed individuals much faster than Wolverine).
Imo, writers make the fights between them close not because of an objective evaluation their power sets, but because they may be the two most popular characters in the Marvel Universe. It is of no value to establish that one is definitively better than the other as they would risk angering a sizable section of their customers and it would make for less interesting comics. I simply have difficulty imagining how Wolverine would actually hit Spiderman (short of an ambush) given Spidey's significantly greater speed, reflexes, and spider sense.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Spiderman vs WolverineStrength - Spiderman
Speed - Spiderman
Durability - Wolverine
Mobility - Spiderman
Senses - Spiderman - Wolverine's are good, but the Spider sense is better
Fighting skills - Wolverine
Winner: Spiderman
Why would Spiderman win? His speed, strength, and spider sense give him an incredible advantage in this fight. Spiderman could simply stand still and allow Wolverine to attack him. Given his enhanced reflexes and Spider sense he should be able to deflect any incoming strike from Wolverine (particularly claw attacks as these are the only ones that really are a threat).
For example if Wolverine were to try and slash Spiderman, Spidey has the speed, reflexes, and strength to simply grab Wolverine's wrist and stop the attack (considering Spiderman has caught bullets out of the air before his upgrades). He could then throw Wolverine across the battle field to gain some distance between the two.
This wouldn't be enough to win the fight, however. Wolverine's durability makes a ko unlikely. But with the new distance between the them, Spiderman could take the opportunity to use his webs against Wolverine. Now I know many will claim that Wolverine can simply cut through the webbing and this is true is certain circumstances.
However, if Spiderman were to web Wolverine's arms to his body (say from the shoulder to the mid-forearm) then Wolverine would not be able to free himself. He wouldn't have the articulation in his wrist to get his claws in position to cut the webs and his lacks the physical strength to break free.
This may take some time before Spiderman is able to make the right shot but eventually he would get the right angle and succeed in trapping Wolverine (given that he has webbed individuals much faster than Wolverine).
Imo, writers make the fights between them close not because of an objective evaluation their power sets, but because they may be the two most popular characters in the Marvel Universe. It is of no value to establish that one is definitively better than the other as they would risk angering a sizable section of their customers and it would make for less interesting comics. I simply have difficulty imagining how Wolverine would actually hit Spiderman (short of an ambush) given Spidey's significantly greater speed, reflexes, and spider sense.
I agree
Originally posted by TheKahn
Spiderman vs WolverineStrength - Spiderman
Speed - Spiderman
Durability - Wolverine
Mobility - Spiderman
Senses - Spiderman - Wolverine's are good, but the Spider sense is better
Fighting skills - Wolverine
Winner: Spiderman
Why would Spiderman win? His speed, strength, and spider sense give him an incredible advantage in this fight. Spiderman could simply stand still and allow Wolverine to attack him. Given his enhanced reflexes and Spider sense he should be able to deflect any incoming strike from Wolverine (particularly claw attacks as these are the only ones that really are a threat).
For example if Wolverine were to try and slash Spiderman, Spidey has the speed, reflexes, and strength to simply grab Wolverine's wrist and stop the attack (considering Spiderman has caught bullets out of the air before his upgrades). He could then throw Wolverine across the battle field to gain some distance between the two.
This wouldn't be enough to win the fight, however. Wolverine's durability makes a ko unlikely. But with the new distance between the them, Spiderman could take the opportunity to use his webs against Wolverine. Now I know many will claim that Wolverine can simply cut through the webbing and this is true is certain circumstances.
However, if Spiderman were to web Wolverine's arms to his body (say from the shoulder to the mid-forearm) then Wolverine would not be able to free himself. He wouldn't have the articulation in his wrist to get his claws in position to cut the webs and his lacks the physical strength to break free.
This may take some time before Spiderman is able to make the right shot but eventually he would get the right angle and succeed in trapping Wolverine (given that he has webbed individuals much faster than Wolverine).
Imo, writers make the fights between them close not because of an objective evaluation their power sets, but because they may be the two most popular characters in the Marvel Universe. It is of no value to establish that one is definitively better than the other as they would risk angering a sizable section of their customers and it would make for less interesting comics. I simply have difficulty imagining how Wolverine would actually hit Spiderman (short of an ambush) given Spidey's significantly greater speed, reflexes, and spider sense.
notworthy
Originally posted by jinzin
guess you're not aware of the power chart that rated wolverine as having an overall 9 while spiderman got an 8...
You shouldn't really try to compare there stats if you think Logan will win this.............................
Originally posted by TheKahn
Spiderman vs WolverineStrength - Spiderman
Speed - Spiderman
Durability - Wolverine
Mobility - Spiderman
Senses - Spiderman - Wolverine's are good, but the Spider sense is better
Fighting skills - Wolverine
Winner: Spiderman
I'm not going to argue that Wolverine defeated Spider-man in comix because it was a canon, but it happened not because Logan is better but because sometimes Spider-man just acts stupid(ignores his ss and doesn't use his speed at full potential). I'll say that the only way for Wolvie too win is if Spidey acts not carefully.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Spiderman vs WolverineStrength - Spiderman
Speed - Spiderman
Durability - Wolverine
Mobility - Spiderman
Senses - Spiderman - Wolverine's are good, but the Spider sense is better
Fighting skills - Wolverine
Winner: Spiderman
strength is made near worthless by wolverine's durability.. and any damaged inflicted by his strength is also made useless as wolverine's healing factor will (and already has) compensate for everything spidey throws at him.
Speed is in spiderman's favor by a small amount.. by an amount so small that it doesn't make a huge impact on the fight.
A) wolverine's speed as made spiderman think they were on equal footing
B) while spiderman reduces in max speed due to fatigue wolverine mantains.
wolverine's senses are also not far behind spiderman's in the least... while spider sense is better.. it isn't better by much (we've already gone over examples proving this before... namely in new avengers spidey's senses catch incoming danger a hair moment before wolverine's do...)
Now what about other stats?
like experience, damage soak (not durability, but the ability to take the damage and keep fighting), stamina, etc etc.. we've been over this again and again and again.. and it simply isn't as simple as you're trying to make it appear to be...
Originally posted by TheKahn
Why would Spiderman win? His speed, strength, and spider sense give him an incredible advantage in this fight. Spiderman could simply stand still and allow Wolverine to attack him. Given his enhanced reflexes and Spider sense he should be able to deflect any incoming strike from Wolverine (particularly claw attacks as these are the only ones that really are a threat).
Originally posted by TheKahn
For example if Wolverine were to try and slash Spiderman, Spidey has the speed, reflexes, and strength to simply grab Wolverine's wrist and stop the attack (considering Spiderman has caught bullets out of the air before his upgrades). He could then throw Wolverine across the battle field to gain some distance between the two.
Originally posted by TheKahn
This wouldn't be enough to win the fight, however. Wolverine's durability makes a ko unlikely. But with the new distance between the them, Spiderman could take the opportunity to use his webs against Wolverine. Now I know many will claim that Wolverine can simply cut through the webbing and this is true is certain circumstances.
Originally posted by TheKahn
However, if Spiderman were to web Wolverine's arms to his body (say from the shoulder to the mid-forearm) then Wolverine would not be able to free himself. He wouldn't have the articulation in his wrist to get his claws in position to cut the webs and his lacks the physical strength to break free.
It took spiderman using both webshooters to do that to daredevil and daredevil was still givin him trouble one handed... wolverine can actually cut himself free with the other arm.. but before we get into some HUGE hypothetical situation (cause I've been here before and I'm almost entirely certain that's were this is going) i'll just say this.. spiderman successfully pulling this feat off is a slim chance.. it's has slim as him KOing logan with brute strength... can it happen? yes... is it garuanteed? no... is it likely? probably not... (wolverine doesn't usually fight with his elbows to his sides.)
Originally posted by TheKahn
This may take some time before Spiderman is able to make the right shot but eventually he would get the right angle and succeed in trapping Wolverine (given that he has webbed individuals much faster than Wolverine).
Originally posted by TheKahn
I simply have difficulty imagining how Wolverine would actually hit Spiderman (short of an ambush) given Spidey's significantly greater speed, reflexes, and spider sense.
you don't have to imagine anything.. if you go back and read the thread you'll see handfuls of explanations for how this is possible.
Originally posted by jinzin
strength is made near worthless by wolverine's durability.. and any damaged inflicted by his strength is also made useless as wolverine's healing factor will (and already has) compensate for everything spidey throws at him.
Spidey has hurt opponents like the Hulk who have greater strength, durability and healing than Logan's, on a consistent basis. Without his claws, the hulk wouldn't even feel Logan.
Originally posted by jinzin
Speed is in spiderman's favor by a small amount.. by an amount so small that it doesn't make a huge impact on the fight.
A) wolverine's speed as made spiderman think they were on equal footing
B) while spiderman reduces in max speed due to fatigue wolverine mantains.
Spidey's speed is at the very least 15 times faster than an average human's, thats not including his pre-cog, superhuman reflexes or his recent upgrades. Wolverine is nowhere near this amount. He is around peak human level.
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine's senses are also not far behind spiderman's in the least... while spider sense is better.. it isn't better by much (we've already gone over examples proving this before... namely in new avengers spidey's senses catch incoming danger a hair moment before wolverine's do...)
A guy who uses his senses to dodge bullets, lasers and everything else, against a guy who uses his sense for predominately tracking things? Personally I think spidey's sense are far more useful in this fight.
Originally posted by jinzin
Now what about other stats?
like experience, damage soak (not durability, but the ability to take the damage and keep fighting), stamina, etc etc.. we've been over this again and again and again.. and it simply isn't as simple as you're trying to make it appear to be...
Nope your trying to make it more complex than it actually is. Simply put spider-man outclasses Logan physically. He also outclasses him in terms of intelligence as well.
Originally posted by jinzin
Wrong.. wolverine's KOed a class 70 tonner with kicks and punches.. anything coming at spiderman from wolverine is going to be dangerous... but hey it's this kind of ignorance which is forcing me to cover points we've already made for 500+ pages.. whatever...
Can spiderman even do what you think he should be able to do? No... and nothing has proven that he could. They had 5 head to head's and spiderman got tagged in all but one of em.. so no he can't just stand there and HOPE to deflect everything wolverine's got.. if he doesn't that he's gonna get punched in the face... this time however the claws will be out...
Logan Koed a 70 tonner? That guy/gal must have had incredibly weak durability to be taken down by a peak human strength character.
Punched in the face? spidey gets punched in the face by a peak human? Sounds like P.I.S to me. Spidey regularly dodges Lasers and bullets.
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman has been able to catch logan's hands once.. ONCE out of five encounters... and the ONE time he did he got kicked in the balls for his troubles... so what if he's caught bullets out of mid air.. wolverine's freakin cut them in half! He see's them go by him like they're in slow motion to his own admission... these feats versus bullets however are no good reason for why or how wolverine could beat spiderman.. and it's likewise for spidey and his bullet feats.
did Wolverine use his Superhuman reactions to hit the bullets? 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
It took spiderman using both webshooters to do that to daredevil and daredevil was still givin him trouble one handed... wolverine can actually cut himself free with the other arm.. but before we get into some HUGE hypothetical situation (cause I've been here before and I'm almost entirely certain that's were this is going) i'll just say this.. spiderman successfully pulling this feat off is a slim chance.. it's has slim as him KOing logan with brute strength... can it happen? yes... is it garuanteed? no... is it likely? probably not... (wolverine doesn't usually fight with his elbows to his sides.)
Wolverine doesn't usually fight guys who outclass him in strength, speed, pre-cog, reflexes, intelligence, range etc etc in a comic without P.I.S
Originally posted by jinzin
webbed individuals who may be faster but lack other attributes that wolverine has that they don't... (again stuff we've been over and over and over..)... the fact is spiderman probably isn't going to have that kind of time... in their toe to toe's wolverine's always been able to close ground fast on spidey and when that happens spiderman admits that one second, one moment and he's done for....
Again this is a debate in terms of speed and reflexes. Who is faster in this fight? Spidey by far.
Originally posted by jinzin
you don't have to imagine anything.. if you go back and read the thread you'll see handfuls of explanations for how this is possible.
Im inclined to respectfully disagree. 🙂
Originally posted by willRules
Spidey has hurt opponents like the Hulk who have greater strength, durability and healing than Logan's, on a consistent basis. Without his claws, the hulk wouldn't even feel Logan.
Spiderman has managed to temporarily hurt hulk ONCE... (the one time spiderman KOed hulk, it was using a cement truck which is a plot device) I don't see anywhere in this thread where there is stated to be an abundance of those about.
In fact, spiderman has nearly broken his hands just hitting professor hulk, a hulk who is one of the weaker incarnations. So no, spiderman lacks any consistency hurting guys like the hulk.. although he does do rather well at pissing them off...
Wolverine on the other hand has knocked hulk on his ass with kicks with and without his adamantium... Wolverine on the other hand has forced hulk to relenquish a bear hug after getting an adamantium headbut to the face. Sorry but your premise is officially debunked...
and now back to the point, Spiderman has been able to anger hulk by hurting him for a moment on one occasion.. did it help him win the fight? no.. similarly did his strength help him beat wolverine in any of their encounters? no... My point still stands...
I'm not arguing that spiderman can't hurt wolverine, logan isn't immune to pain, however spiderman can't beat wolverine through his brute strength alone, even if wolverine were to sit there and let spiderman hit him (like he did in the graveyard) it's no garantee that spidey can get a KO.
Originally posted by willRules
Spidey's speed is at the very least 15 times faster than an average human's, thats not including his pre-cog, superhuman reflexes or his recent upgrades. Wolverine is nowhere near this amount. He is around peak human level.
I'm not arguing against the recently upgraded spiderman...
Originally posted by willRules
A guy who uses his senses to dodge bullets, lasers and everything else, against a guy who uses his sense for predominately tracking things? Personally I think spidey's sense are far more useful in this fight..
Originally posted by willRules
Nope your trying to make it more complex than it actually is. Simply put spider-man outclasses Logan physically. He also outclasses him in terms of intelligence as well.
as for intelligence.. there's a major difference between bookworm intelligence and battlefield intelligence... wolverine has much more experience and practice using the ladder...spiderman, the former... which one matters in a fight.. well the ladder if there's no prep time or plot devices around... remember as an agent of weapon x, wolverine was trained in negotiating enemies of every range, strength, and power that the canadian government had a database on at the time... and that was before he got his adamantium...
besides what good is spiderman's intelligence to him here?
oh wait I remember:
SM: "Tell me Wolverine... what is the square root of 2887732?"
Wolverine: "Hmmm..."
SM: "Ha, it seems I win this round!"
*SM escapes into the night*
Originally posted by willRules
Logan Koed a 70 tonner? That guy/gal must have had incredibly weak durability to be taken down by a peak human strength character.
the 70 tonner in question is by wolverine's own admission "a little below hulk level"
Originally posted by willRules
Punched in the face? spidey gets punched in the face by a peak human? Sounds like P.I.S to me. Spidey regularly dodges Lasers and bullets.
i wasn't aware that bullets and linear lasers could follow, track, or lead an opponent... or that they have a fighting ability etc etc..
again dodging such things isn't a big deal in comic land...
Originally posted by willRules
did Wolverine use his [B] Superhuman reactions to hit the bullets? 🙄 [/B]
Originally posted by willRules
Wolverine doesn't usually fight guys who outclass him in strength, speed, pre-cog, reflexes, intelligence, range etc etc in a comic without P.I.S
Kind of a tricky statment to respond to because the fact is that wolverine does fight opponents who have those attributes all the time.. P.I.S. is a matter of preference more so than it is ever proven to literally be stupid.. like spiderman KOing hulk with a cement truck for instance..
Originally posted by willRules
Again this is a debate in terms of speed and reflexes. Who is faster in this fight? Spidey by far.
actually it isn't "by far" it's by barely.. and it isn't for long...
Actually, it is Spider-Man by a good amount.
He's much quicker than Logan. The guy can tag Quicksilver. I can't really see Logan pulling that one off. Also, Spider-Man has outclassed Wolverine on many accounts. Also, he has managed to damage the Hulk before, but it wasnt' by punching him. He stuck his hands to Hulk's back and threw him easily. The only time Hulk tagged him was with the Shockwave Clap. "Bug Boy" did very well against Hulk. He also has a good knowledge of how to get Hulk to revert to Banner by making him laugh.
However, that's not my point. My point is that Spidey is much quicker, and although Wolverine is quick himself, Spider-man has too many advantages in this fight, and he himself doesn't tire easily either.
Also, please don't take this retort as a personal attack. I tend to draw that sometimes, and to be honest, I don't want another fight.
Originally posted by samishe
I'm not going to argue that Wolverine defeated Spider-man in comix because it was a canon, but it happened not because Logan is better but because sometimes Spider-man just acts stupid(ignores his ss and doesn't use his speed at full potential). I'll say that the only way for Wolvie too win is if Spidey acts not carefully.
That's the thing. Spideys not a brutal guy. He CAN be brutal. He's incredibly strong. Definetly not one of the strongest ever, but he has this on Wolverine.
strength is made near worthless by wolverine's durability..
Same with the brain. It's not stuck in place. A hard enough punch could jar it.
Speed is in spiderman's favor by a small amount.. by an amount so small that it doesn't make a huge impact on the fight.
A) wolverine's speed as made spiderman think they were on equal footing
B) while spiderman reduces in max speed due to fatigue wolverine mantains.
Spidey is 15x as quick to react as the average human, before his spider-sense. Wolverines training could not have given him reflexes even CLOSE to rivaling Spideys. It's humanly IMPOSSIBLE. Logans powers don't include superhuman reaction time. Therefore, he cannot ever GET superhuman reaction time without further mutation.
Now what about other stats?
like experience, damage soak (not durability, but the ability to take the damage and keep fighting), stamina, etc etc.. we've been over this again and again and again.. and it simply isn't as simple as you're trying to make it appear to be...
Hell, a punch to the throat will put him out. And all Spidey needs to do is web him up.
Sure Wolverine can take more damage, but Spidey doesn't take the damage because he can jump circles around Wolverine.
so no he can't just stand there and HOPE to deflect everything wolverine's got.. if he doesn't that he's gonna get punched in the face... this time however the claws will be out...
For example, Pete throwing Logan out of a window is NOT considered as part of the reasons Spidey wins because Logan didn't even get a chance to fight back he didn't want to fight.
so what if he's caught bullets out of mid air.. wolverine's freakin cut them in half!
Now, remind me again wether it's easier to cut a bullet or to catch it? Considering one slices through it and does nothing to stop it while the other requires stopping the bullet in mid flight and negating all of its' momentum? Oh right the former is much easier. Less risk involved, too.
Also the ball kick: Look up. Was Spidey trying to stop him from fighting, or actively fighting to knock him out?
It took spiderman using both webshooters to do that to daredevil and daredevil was still givin him trouble one handed... wolverine can actually cut himself free with the other arm.. but before we get into some HUGE hypothetical situation (cause I've been here before and I'm almost entirely certain that's were this is going) i'll just say this.. spiderman successfully pulling this feat off is a slim chance.. it's has slim as him KOing logan with brute strength... can it happen? yes... is it garuanteed? no... is it likely? probably not... (wolverine doesn't usually fight with his elbows to his sides.)
For two, Spideys a lot more skilled with his webbing.
Three, all he needs to do is web his arms in such a way that he can't reach the other one and web them to his body. Then Wolverine is screwed for the next 2 hours.
Also if there are any walls, Wolverine automatically loses. What's he gonna do, jump at the guy who makes a living humilating guys much stronger, smarter, skillfull, quicker, and agile than Wolverin?
And finally, Spideys reflexes and spider-sense allow him to dodge machinegun fire. Wolverines senses and reflexes allow him to go "HEY SOMEONE FIRED A GUN", maybe get away in time. But mostly just tell where they fired the gun from, etc.
Spideys is a much better defensive tool. Wolverines is a great tracking tool.
Originally posted by MuffinmanMike
That's the thing. Spideys not a brutal guy. He CAN be brutal. He's incredibly strong. Definetly not one of the strongest ever, but he has this on Wolverine.His heart is still anchored to flesh. A hard enough hit can rattle it and cause serious pain.
Same with the brain. It's not stuck in place. A hard enough punch could jar it.
Speed is not what is important. REFLEXES is the factor he meant by speed.
Of course running speed is more favorable for Wolverine so we'll use that, right?Spidey is 15x as quick to react as the average human, before his spider-sense. Wolverines training could not have given him reflexes even CLOSE to rivaling Spideys. It's humanly IMPOSSIBLE. Logans powers don't include superhuman reaction time. Therefore, he cannot ever GET superhuman reaction time without further mutation.
Yes. It is. Spidey is superhumanely strong. Wolverines heart, lungs, brain, and other vital organs are NOT anchored by adamantium. They are more durable, but there's nothing stating that a repeated kick or punch to the head and chest won't eventually knock Logan out.
Hell, a punch to the throat will put him out. And all Spidey needs to do is web him up.
Sure Wolverine can take more damage, but Spidey doesn't take the damage because he can jump circles around Wolverine.
No. Goddamnit NO.
Unless each and every one of those was a fight that BOTH were aware of, BOTH were going into of their own free will, BOTH knew the consequences, and BOTH accepted all rules, limits, etc. these fights cannot and should not be used to determine a "clear winner".For example, Pete throwing Logan out of a window is NOT considered as part of the reasons Spidey wins because Logan didn't even get a chance to fight back he didn't want to fight.
I forget. Which one of them has adamantium claws? Oh right Wolverine. Not Spidey.
Now, remind me again wether it's easier to cut a bullet or to catch it? Considering one slices through it and does nothing to stop it while the other requires stopping the bullet in mid flight and negating all of its' momentum? Oh right the former is much easier. Less risk involved, too.
Also the ball kick: Look up. Was Spidey trying to stop him from fighting, or actively fighting to knock him out?
Daredevils more agile than Wolverine for one.
For two, Spideys a lot more skilled with his webbing.
Three, all he needs to do is web his arms in such a way that he can't reach the other one and web them to his body. Then Wolverine is screwed for the next 2 hours.
Also if there are any walls, Wolverine automatically loses. What's he gonna do, jump at the guy who makes a living humilating guys much stronger, smarter, skillfull, quicker, and agile than Wolverin?
And finally, Spideys reflexes and spider-sense allow him to dodge machinegun fire. Wolverines senses and reflexes allow him to go "HEY SOMEONE FIRED A GUN", maybe get away in time. But mostly just tell where they fired the gun from, etc.
Spideys is a much better defensive tool. Wolverines is a great tracking tool.
Nice description but youknow whats gonna happen some1s gonna shout but wolverine isnt gonna stand there and take the hits, all he has to do is stab Spider-man, yeah like Spidey is gonna stand there and get stabbed, (lol I just had an argument with myself cool, shut up no you shut up moron)
Originally posted by MuffinmanMike
That's the thing. Spideys not a brutal guy. He CAN be brutal. He's incredibly strong. Definetly not one of the strongest ever, but he has this on Wolverine.His heart is still anchored to flesh. A hard enough hit can rattle it and cause serious pain.
Same with the brain. It's not stuck in place. A hard enough punch could jar it.
Speed is not what is important. REFLEXES is the factor he meant by speed.
Of course running speed is more favorable for Wolverine so we'll use that, right?Spidey is 15x as quick to react as the average human, before his spider-sense. Wolverines training could not have given him reflexes even CLOSE to rivaling Spideys. It's humanly IMPOSSIBLE. Logans powers don't include superhuman reaction time. Therefore, he cannot ever GET superhuman reaction time without further mutation.
Yes. It is. Spidey is superhumanely strong. Wolverines heart, lungs, brain, and other vital organs are NOT anchored by adamantium. They are more durable, but there's nothing stating that a repeated kick or punch to the head and chest won't eventually knock Logan out.
Hell, a punch to the throat will put him out. And all Spidey needs to do is web him up.
Sure Wolverine can take more damage, but Spidey doesn't take the damage because he can jump circles around Wolverine.
No. Goddamnit NO.
Unless each and every one of those was a fight that BOTH were aware of, BOTH were going into of their own free will, BOTH knew the consequences, and BOTH accepted all rules, limits, etc. these fights cannot and should not be used to determine a "clear winner".For example, Pete throwing Logan out of a window is NOT considered as part of the reasons Spidey wins because Logan didn't even get a chance to fight back he didn't want to fight.
I forget. Which one of them has adamantium claws? Oh right Wolverine. Not Spidey.
Now, remind me again wether it's easier to cut a bullet or to catch it? Considering one slices through it and does nothing to stop it while the other requires stopping the bullet in mid flight and negating all of its' momentum? Oh right the former is much easier. Less risk involved, too.
Also the ball kick: Look up. Was Spidey trying to stop him from fighting, or actively fighting to knock him out?
Daredevils more agile than Wolverine for one.
For two, Spideys a lot more skilled with his webbing.
Three, all he needs to do is web his arms in such a way that he can't reach the other one and web them to his body. Then Wolverine is screwed for the next 2 hours.
Also if there are any walls, Wolverine automatically loses. What's he gonna do, jump at the guy who makes a living humilating guys much stronger, smarter, skillfull, quicker, and agile than Wolverin?
And finally, Spideys reflexes and spider-sense allow him to dodge machinegun fire. Wolverines senses and reflexes allow him to go "HEY SOMEONE FIRED A GUN", maybe get away in time. But mostly just tell where they fired the gun from, etc.
Spideys is a much better defensive tool. Wolverines is a great tracking tool.
My point exactly ✅
