Originally posted by Mr Master
...now Wolvy couldn't touch Spidey on his best day, you have to agree with this. Due to his adamantium bones and rapid healing factor, he would take the punishment in a fight, but that's what it would be punishment, with Logan ultimately being rendered unconscious.
I am in total agreement here. I never posted before because I am biased toward Spiderman, but the above just sums it up just right.
Originally posted by Mr MasterPIS. Spiderman needed to get away from the X-men. so he did.
Spiderman is not stronger than Rogue, atleast not back then,Spiderman can press 10 tons
Rogue after absorbing Ms Marvel's powers went up to 50 Tons,
Why she was unable to break his webbing is beyond me,
Originally posted by Mr Masterand not being able to break the steal girder?
perhaps she didn't have leverage since she was dangling around like a struggling fly,
Originally posted by Mr MasterNot in the slightest. she could have used localized winds to isolate him. But again, it was necesery for Spiderman to escape.
Storm could have easily defeated Spiderman, but like she said, she would have had to bring the whole place down in order to do so,
Originally posted by Mr MasterSo you think that Spiderman neutralizing Nightcrawlers teleportational ability is not pis?
Spiderman can't hurt Colossus but Colossus can't touch Spidey, Cyclops would get knocked by Spidey, dog a couple of optic blasts and snuff = lights out for Cyclops, Professor X could have incapacitated him, but he was the first stunned by Spidey's surprise attack, Nightcrawler can't beat Spidey, no PIS there,
Originally posted by Mr MasterFunny how he has never done that, and stronger people have failed as well.
and Wolvy, well I don't think classic Spidey can really damage him, but I'm sure he can knock him out too,(10 Tons of power vs 500lb lifter)
Originally posted by Mr MasterAgain, Spiderman has never been able to do this. Even with Spiderman wailing away with everything he had. Wolverine was still quite concious. even with stronger people wailing away on him, Wolverine remains concious in battle situations. When the plot calls for him to be neutralized then he is, otherwise in fight scenerios he hasn't really been.
now Wolvy couldn't touch Spidey on his best day, you have to agree with this. Due to his adamantium bones and rapid healing factor, he would take the punishment in a fight, but that's what it would be punishment, with Logan ultimately being rendered unconscious.
And spiderman as I've said before has never rendered Wolverine unconcious... Wolverine on the other hand has dazed and even rendered spiderman unconcious.
Originally posted by bean_machineAt least you openly admiot your bias.
I am in total agreement here. I never posted before because I am biased toward Spiderman, but the above just sums it up just right.
However what he said was not right, as Wolverine has touched Spiderman before, and Spiderman has never rendered Wolverine unconcious.
Originally posted by Mr Master
What are you talking about, I'm only considering classic Spidey and the rest as classics, not upgraded new age nonsense, what info, did I miss something, then by all means oblige me then,
first u said wolverine only 500lb which is not true as shown below he much higher
Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe
Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
“The Marvel Universe Master Edition Issue 4 clearly states that Wolverine's strength is enhanced human.” Quote from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wolverine_(comics)/Archive_2
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=46c6f3d71tg.jpg
Wolverines old stats.
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinesoldstats0xj.jpg
Wolverine throwing a 1,600 pound full trash container with one arm. (Yes look it up ur self’s at full they are 1,600 pounds)
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothergoodoldstrengthfeat5sc.jpg
This pic speaks for it self.
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvstrength9ea.jpg
Lifting a shark that weights between 1000 to 1200 pounds and throwing it in a boat from the water. (Look it up your self if u don’t believe how much a shark that size would way)
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthfeatskarkstyle9jl.jpg
Wolverine punching a guy who says he his brother in water so hard he slams into the wall and his head goes through it.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength21yp.jpg
Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineownsroughhouse6bd.jpg
wolverine lifting blob and slamming blobs head into the wall.
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthandspeedfeat9oj.jpg
wolverine pick up a huge tree looking thing like a base ball bat and hitting a creature of pure energy.
http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherstrengthfeat7pr.jpg
Death wolverine smashing through a solid door of titanium that’s also being held back by x-man.
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since my printer is broken I can only get scan already on my computer so here are comic issue numbers of a few more feats of strength.
In (New X-men 115) Cassandra Nova has wolverine Cyclopes and pig faced guy chained up and wolverine easily breaks his chains using just strength and hits Cassandra nova.
In ( wolverine 28 agent of shield part 3) wolverine allows him self to be captured. Wolverine arms leg and neck are locked in this metal devices to hold wolverine but as soon as the sentinel attacks wolverine easily breaks it using pure strength.
In (Black Panther #9) a huge dragon mutant creature is flying holding black panther and wolverine stabs the creature in the tail and then swings the creature the opposite way while the creature is hold black panther.
In ( Wolverine #44) wolverine runs through a wall of rocks and boulders like it nothing.
In ( x-men # 7) wolverine who is haft dead and drugged breaks out of metal holding designed to hold him, using nothing but pure strength.
In ( x-men # 98) which is the 6th issue of x-men that wolverine was ever in. wolverine breaks holding of what were said to be unbreakable using just his strength because some guy this jean.
also u said wolverine can not hit spiderman which is a load of bull shit.
in every fight below wolverine hit spiderman
(Wolverine vs. Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(Spiderman vs. wolverine) this fight happen in the grave yard and ended with a tie
(Marvel Knights Spiderman #14) Spiderman passes out after being stabbed by wolverine.
Originally posted by capt it upPIS...Spiderman wins 😈
first u said wolverine only 500lb which is not true as shown below he much higher
Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
Official Wolverine hand book of the marvel universe
Marvel comics presents Wolverine volume 2
Hulk ultimate guide also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS) also states wolverine with superhuman strength.
“The Marvel Universe Master Edition Issue 4 clearly states that Wolverine's strength is enhanced human.” Quote from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wolverine_(comics)/Archive_2http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=46c6f3d71tg.jpg
Wolverines old stats.
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinesoldstats0xj.jpg
Wolverine throwing a 1,600 pound full trash container with one arm. (Yes look it up ur self’s at full they are 1,600 pounds)
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothergoodoldstrengthfeat5sc.jpgThis pic speaks for it self.
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvstrength9ea.jpgLifting a shark that weights between 1000 to 1200 pounds and throwing it in a boat from the water. (Look it up your self if u don’t believe how much a shark that size would way)
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthfeatskarkstyle9jl.jpgWolverine punching a guy who says he his brother in water so hard he slams into the wall and his head goes through it.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength21yp.jpgWolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineownsroughhouse6bd.jpgwolverine lifting blob and slamming blobs head into the wall.
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthandspeedfeat9oj.jpgwolverine pick up a huge tree looking thing like a base ball bat and hitting a creature of pure energy.
http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherstrengthfeat7pr.jpgDeath wolverine smashing through a solid door of titanium that’s also being held back by x-man.
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherwolverinestrengthfeat9n.gifsince my printer is broken I can only get scan already on my computer so here are comic issue numbers of a few more feats of strength.
In (New X-men 115) Cassandra Nova has wolverine Cyclopes and pig faced guy chained up and wolverine easily breaks his chains using just strength and hits Cassandra nova.
In ( wolverine 28 agent of shield part 3) wolverine allows him self to be captured. Wolverine arms leg and neck are locked in this metal devices to hold wolverine but as soon as the sentinel attacks wolverine easily breaks it using pure strength.
In (Black Panther #9) a huge dragon mutant creature is flying holding black panther and wolverine stabs the creature in the tail and then swings the creature the opposite way while the creature is hold black panther.
In ( Wolverine #44) wolverine runs through a wall of rocks and boulders like it nothing.
In ( x-men # 7) wolverine who is haft dead and drugged breaks out of metal holding designed to hold him, using nothing but pure strength.
In ( x-men # 98) which is the 6th issue of x-men that wolverine was ever in. wolverine breaks holding of what were said to be unbreakable using just his strength because some guy this jean.
also u said wolverine can not hit spiderman which is a load of bull shit.
in every fight below wolverine hit spiderman(Wolverine vs. Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(Spiderman vs. wolverine) this fight happen in the grave yard and ended with a tie
(Marvel Knights Spiderman #14) Spiderman passes out after being stabbed by wolverine.
Originally posted by Creshosk
PIS. Spiderman needed to get away from the X-men. so he did.
What are on earth does that have to do with Spiderman and Rogue's strength level?..
Originally posted by Creshosk
and not being able to break the steal girder?
Not saying it's a fact, but yes, absolutely, leverage plays a part in strength feats, you got guys that can bench 450 - 500 lbs(in real life)but they end up in last place at the strongman competitions, cause others who are weaker, at least in benching, find the better leverage when it comes to lifting or throwing odd objects.. Oh by the way, she said his webs are stronger than steel cables, I don't know if that's stronger than steal girders but...
Originally posted by Creshosk
Not in the slightest. she could have used localized winds to isolate him. But again, it was necesery for Spiderman to escape.
Yea she tried that and he dodge it..
Originally posted by Creshosk
So you think that Spiderman neutralizing Nightcrawlers teleportational ability is not pis?
Who said he neutralized it, he got cocky and tried to physically jump towards Spidey, it was a mistake on his part, never read his teleportaion was netalized..
Originally posted by Creshosk
Again, Spiderman has never been able to do this. Even with Spiderman wailing away with everything he had. Wolverine was still quite concious.
Now see I don't really know what your talking about, you better throw up scans..
Originally posted by Creshosk
And spiderman as I've said before has never rendered Wolverine unconcious... Wolverine on the other hand has dazed and even rendered spiderman unconcious.
Scans please..
Originally posted by Mr Master
What are you talking about, I'm only considering classic Spidey and the rest as classics, not upgraded new age nonsense, what info, did I miss something, then by all means oblige me then,
Well Mr Master was reffering to Wolverine when his bio stated that he was peak human, which means he can lift up to 800 lbs.
For example:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htm
If I were to read this and you were to tell me that Wolverine is above peak human I would tell you that you are full of shit. If you also were to tell me that Wolverine can take on a nuke I would also tell you that you are full of shit based on this bio.
That Wolverine took a nuke head on and survived, that is another story.
Well in the end I think that the battle would drag out and since Wolverine can battle it out for many days without rest, in the end I believe that Spiderman will tire out and Wolverine would slash Spiderman out of existance 😕 🙁 .
Originally posted by Mr Master
What are on earth does that have to do with Spiderman and Rogue's strength level?..Not saying it's a fact, but yes, absolutely, leverage plays a part in strength feats, you got guys that can bench 450 - 500 lbs(in real life)but they end up in last place at the strongman competitions, cause others who are weaker, at least in benching, find the better leverage when it comes to lifting or throwing odd objects.. Oh by the way, she said his webs are stronger than steel cables, I don't know if that's stronger than steal girders but...
Yea she tried that and he dodge it..
Who said he neutralized it, he got cocky and tried to physically jump towards Spidey, it was a mistake on his part, never read his teleportaion was netalized..
Now see I don't really know what your talking about, you better throw up scans..
Scans please..
Originally posted by bean_machine
Well Mr Master was reffering to Wolverine when his bio stated that he was peak human, which means he can lift up to 800 lbs.For example:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/w/wolverine.htmIf I were to read this and you were to tell me that Wolverine is above peak human I would tell you that you are full of shit. If you also were to tell me that Wolverine can take on a nuke I would also tell you that you are full of shit based on this bio.
That Wolverine took a nuke head on and survived, that is another story.
Well in the end I think that the battle would drag out and since Wolverine can battle it out for many days without rest, in the end I believe that Spiderman will tire out and Wolverine would slash Spiderman out of existance 😕 🙁 .
Originally posted by capt it up
first u said wolverine only 500lb which is not true as shown below he much higher
Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
I'm in the process of checking out your cool scans, but If you would've given my post even the slightest attention you would of realized I was CONSIDERING CLASSIC SPIDEY and CLASSIC WOLVY!!, sorry about the caps but maybe this time you'll see it, and read it.
And calm down dude, no need to get aggresive, you can make your point without cursing or becoming insulting.
I hope I'm not offending you, just making my point in a civil manner.
Well the way I really feel about it is that Spiderman can win this 5/10. So ya I admit that Spiderman loses, this is big, at least when it comes to me cause I believe that Spiderman is Batman's Batgod and TOAA's TOAA.
I don't read too many comics, since I don't have much time, and time and time again, I find myself reading Spiderman comics.
Originally posted by capt it up
(Marvel Knights Spiderman #14) Spiderman passes out after being stabbed by wolverine.
Hey, Capt, in those duels they're not supposed to use their abilities. Wolvie knew that, but did it anyway. It was basically there to increase the drama over Mary Jane. Wolvie knows Spidey well enough to know that popping out his claws when Spidey thinks it isn't going to happen won't trigger his Spider-Sense. If they met in an arena, and they were both expecting to fight one another, then the same thing wouldn't happen.
Originally posted by Mr Master'
I'm in the process of checking out your cool scans, but If you would've given my post even the slightest attention you would of realized I was CONSIDERING CLASSIC SPIDEY and CLASSIC WOLVY!!, sorry about the caps but maybe this time you'll see it, and read it.And calm down dude, no need to get aggresive, you can make your point without cursing or becoming insulting.
I hope I'm not offending you, just making my point in a civil manner.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYou don't think Rogue preforming well below her abilities and being unable to break the webbing or the steel girder (don't forget that she can fly thus she should have all the leverage she needs) is plot induced stupidity?
What are on earth does that have to do with Spiderman and Rogue's strength level?..
Originally posted by Mr MasterWeaker than what she can break. Either way she was limited in strength for the plot of the story. And don't forget she can fly, so she can push off of the air with all of her strength, like how she can carry things, or pick them up while in the air.
Not saying it's a fact, but yes, absolutely, leverage plays a part in strength feats, you got guys that can bench 450 - 500 lbs(in real life)but they end up in last place at the strongman competitions, cause others who are weaker, at least in benching, find the better leverage when it comes to lifting or throwing odd objects.. Oh by the way, she said his webs are stronger than steel cables, I don't know if that's stronger than steal girders but...
Originally posted by Mr MasterBecause you stoped interpreting after that.
Yea she tried that and he dodge it..[/quote[] how do you dodge something that takes up the size of the place they're in?Oh yeah, PIS,
[QUOTE=6324355]Originally posted by Mr Master
Who said he neutralized it, he got cocky and tried to physically jump towards Spidey, it was a mistake on his part, never read his teleportaion was netalized..
*points to nightcrawler struggling to pull the webs off*
Originally posted by Mr Masterin a second have to get them.
Now see I don't really know what your talking about, you better throw up scans..
Originally posted by Mr Masterfor now:
Scans please..
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Hey, Capt, in those duels they're not supposed to use their abilities. Wolvie knew that, but did it anyway. It was basically there to increase the drama over Mary Jane. Wolvie knows Spidey well enough to know that popping out his claws when Spidey thinks it isn't going to happen won't trigger his Spider-Sense. If they met in an arena, and they were both expecting to fight one another, then the same thing wouldn't happen.
Originally posted by ThunderstrikeSo his spidersense failed to work because....
Hey, Capt, in those duels they're not supposed to use their abilities. Wolvie knew that, but did it anyway. It was basically there to increase the drama over Mary Jane. Wolvie knows Spidey well enough to know that popping out his claws when Spidey thinks it isn't going to happen won't trigger his Spider-Sense. If they met in an arena, and they were both expecting to fight one another, then the same thing wouldn't happen.
They're friends? Gee so much for it being able to react to any danger.
Originally posted by capt it up
first that site has never been a official source ever so i don't see were ur comming from saying wolverine peakhuman when i cearly just listed soruce after source saying ur wrong so who the one who full of shit?
You can post a million scans of Wolvy lifting mountains now a days, but I had the official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, of the mid 80's, Wolverine's strength level was 500lbs max, I'm totally confident in this. It was official and is official.
