Originally posted by jinzin
"OK my bad man. You do have to admit that sometimes people write sh*t
up here that riles you up too. But that's what I like so much about this sh*t so forgive me if it seems like I'm taking things a little too seriously, It's just enthusiasm. This is the first time I've ever communicated with people over the internet and it's a whole lot more fun than I thought it would be. ( call me old-fashioned ) This vs Forum is huge I would have never imagined so many people debate comics. (This sh*t has sucked up more of my time than I'd care to admit) But all that being said I have read enough Wolverine to not have to base my opinion on his bio. If he was going full berserker he would still not be able to beat the Spider-man. All the advantages are Spidey's and all he has to do is post up and saturate Wolvy with globs of webbing. Spidey is not a punk when he runs
out of webbing and he's strong enough to pin Wolverine with one hand against the ground or the wall. He could set a web glob somewhere and throw Wolverine into it and he doesn't even have to get a grip to throw someone. Wolvy gets beat"sorry my last post had so many freaking errors...it was early morning and I wasn't quite awake.
Anyways..it's cool man....at least your reasonable enough to understand what this place is supposed to be all about....discussing the hobby that we've wasted our lives on...lol (just kiddin)...and i know what ya mean about spending more time on here than caring to admit....I obviously have...no point in denying that.But as far as the fight goes....yeah some of the advantages go to spidey for this fight and while they are the most obvious advantages, they are not the most important, which I feel is a point a lot of people are missing around here....spider man has better speed, reflexes, strength, ranged weaponry, and agility... while wolverine has more lethal offensive weapons, more durability, better fighting skills, and a much much much faster healing factor.
Spiderman's strength is pretty much negated since he can't physically do anything to wolverine that will affect logan....even if he could, logan would heal it up in less then a few seconds. Now I understand you're argument about why wolverine SHOULD be KOed in this fight, and I understand why you think spiderman could knock him unconcious.....but you only think this because you're looking at it from a real world perspective, not a marvel one..... In the real world, yeah logan would be out cold and reeling in about 5 seconds tops...but in the marvel one that's not how it works....now I have my own theory for this...(wolverine's brain basically heals over itself, filling in painful memories with gaps so that wolverine doesn't know what he's been through over the years....even then he's been through a lot...so much infact that ogun couldn't infiltrate wolverine's body because his mind was so fragmented and his memories so painful...his brain adapted to this pain, this mental anguish, by simply smoothing over it...so from that we can determine at least one thing....logans mutant healing factor is adaptive...His healing factor allowed his brain to heal itself from the pain....this is where my theory comes in....if logan's healing factor is indeed adaptive...his skull could have filled in extra tissue to protect the brain from being bounced around inside his head... this would be like homer simpson syndrome if you will, thus knocking him out would be extremely difficult....giving him a concussion nearly impossible. It would also explain why sasquatch among numerous others were KOing him ll the time back in the day, but now he can take 3 namor shots like they're nothing. Also...another theory could be that wolverine recovers from concussions and being knocked out so fast, we never see it actually happen....wolverine DID recover from the volcan neck pinch in under 7 seconds once, however I prefer to think that my theory is the reality of it for wolverine.)
But anybody trying to simply say everytime wolverine doesn't get KOed is BS, is gonna be in some major denial....think of wolverine's battles with the hulk....the Hulk is supposedly the strongest being on the face of the planet, even possibly the entire marvel univers for that matter, he can beat down the entire avangers, he can lift 50 million tons of rock, he can punch a planetoid into smitherines.....but every time he's fought wolvie he had a hard time....several of these times were before wolverine had the fan base he has today and once was when wolverine first showed up in comics.....out of the 10 times these guys have fought, wolverine has only gotten knocked out twice.....both times have been cheep shots, when logan wasn't paying attention.....saying spiderman would knock him out in one blow is illogical....saying he'll do it in 200 is slightly more senseical...but no less wrong.....wolverine took shots from this guy roughouse, a being incredibly stronger than spiderman. wolverine was tied up and took blows from him all day, eventually he vroke free and kicked roughouse's and bloodscream's asses at the same time....and this was when he had NO ADAMANTIUM....i'll let you ponder that on your own.
As for spiderman's speed wolverine can outlast spiderman easily... spiderman can tire way before wolverine can thus his speed will steadily decline while wolverine's remains a constant. After their fight in Berlin, spiderman's legs were barely able to sustain him, he took a while to get up while wolverine had already dissapeared.
His reflexes are some what of a mixed bag...sometimes he dodges bullets other times punisher's kicking him in the grill... He'll dance around wolverine's attacks, but one mistake and he's finished....this is why he was so scared in his fight with wolvie in berlin....he knew he had to be on wolverine every second without letting up for an instant or he was going to die. So while wolverine doesn't need to rely on his relfex speed to avoid parkers blows...or avoid parkers blows for that matter, spiderman can't afford to say the same. But this ability is tied in with spiderman's speed and stamina, once he begins to tire his offensive speed and reflex speed begin to reduce....all wolverine has to do is outlast him....he could even let spiderman hit him in the face all day if he wanted to.On the other hand spiderman can't negate the healing factor unless he's fighting a tired, hungry wolverine, he can't negate the durability cause the adamantium's inside logan...and it ties in with the healing factor....he can't negate wolverine's fighting ability because...well that one's obvious....
Once again...the only REAL threat of an advantage that spiderman has over wolverine is his webbing....wolverine has dodged faster more lethal things than spiderman's webbing just fine....but spider-man has webbed up a lot of super people in pretty creative, even embarrassing ways....so in my mind it's a toss up..... realistically I think that wolverine and spiderman are very...... very even headed but i refuse to accept that this would be an easy victory for spiderman especially since wolverine has beaten him down or stalemated him several times in the past.....this is also why i feel the spiderman vs. the trio thread is such a joke... wolverine would be hard enough for spiderman to beat and even IF he could he's be faced with two other fighters just as good if not very slightly below wolverine...(though in my mind cap's slightly above) legistically, suprpowers or not, spiderman would go down to those guys. Here, it's a toss up. Don't get me wrong....I love spiderman....if i didn't i wouldn't own some 600 spiderman comics, but his fanboys or hardcore fans can get a little out of contol with his powers and capabilities....while downplaying anyone who's ever brought up in a vs. thread with spidey....it just gets frusturating sometimes....but alas I appreciate your level headedness in this thread at least MISTER.
I have come to the conclusion you and I share a collective mind...