Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by capt it up
u never explain why they arnt not as impressive actauly u never even read my feats.

wolverien dodges bullets and lazer all the time so im still not seeing what ur talken about. u act like becuase spiderman dodges bullets logan can't hit him. yet by ur logic since wolevrine dodges bullets spiderman can not hit him.

again ur batgirl pic proves nuthing sicne I have already listed feats were wolverine dodges them not avoid thems. batgirl abilites are a lot diffrent from wolverines.

Actually i explained above but you ignored it. Just look above or at the previous page.

By my logic Wolverine can't hit him because he dodges bullets.
And by my logic Spider-man can hit Wolverine because Wolverine do NOT dodge bullets the same way as Spider-man. You didn't showed any scan that proves that Wolverine's dodging abillities are something different from what I showed of Batgirl. So no prove that his reflexes are even at Batgirls's level.

And yeah, holding Nightcrawler is more impressive feat than holding train car.🙄

Originally posted by capt it up

Way to go Capt 😆
Showing pic of Spider-man being hit actually should prove anything?
So here you go, pic of Wolverine being slapped like a b!tch.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Can you name few of these feats...? Name few street levels who have dodged lasers like Spider-Man has.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Ah ha!

So Capt it turns out you are wrong, Tiger Shark in the water is class 80 not class 100. 😉

http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/80.htm

Originally posted by jinzin
that's nothing more than another example of how wrong the marvel directory can be.. tiger shark has helped punch away thousands of tons of rock in the water before.. he's clearly above class 100.

More importantly it also helps to illustrate how big hitters taking shots at Wolverine are a joke🙂

Originally posted by Soleran
More importantly it also helps to illustrate how big hitters taking shots at Wolverine are a joke🙂

😆 ✅

Let me make things clear here.

First, it has been shown that captain america, batman, wolverine, daredevil, spiderman, etc. has dodged bullets and lasers or has it?
Using evasive action while been fired upon is not dodging! Neither is sensing the fire before the fire (like daredevil and spider-man). To literally dodge a bullet one must, after the bullet is fired in their direct path, move out of the way. To do this requires super speed and super reflexes and not peak human level speed and reflexes. Thus the above characters, except spider-man, never actually dodged a bullet or laser. They simply used evasive action to avoid being hit.

Second, wolverine does not see bullets traveling in slow motion.
His reflex ability is classified as peak human (on par with captain america). He has been literally shot millions of times, hit hundreds of times by speeds far less than bullet speed (hit by Hulk, Juggernaut, Omega Red, and many human-level speed fighting combatants). Spider-man would have no problem in getting a hit on Logan, then webbing his face, then grabbing Logan's arms while wrapping his legs around him, and finally letting Logan sufficate. Spiderman on the other hand does see bullets in slow motion and also moves fast enough to actually dodge them (provided he didn't dodge before they were fired).

Third, Nightcrawler is very fast and agile. He as well should have no problem in touching Logan (this is all that is required for teleportation). To say that Logan can since his teleportation is insignificant and stupid. Nightcrawler only needs to move in (not teleport) and touch him (then teleport). Once Logan is touched then bamf!, no more Logan (to the bottom of the ocean with him).

Finally, many characters in Marvel have stated that they can do certain things. A character's comments isn't necessary proof. They are only to be accepted if it was actually shown and it doesn't contradict their other showings. So, in the case of wolverine seeing bullets in slow motion, there is overwhelming evidence pointing towards him not (like him constantly being hit by them and much slower speeds and by Marvel bios of his abilities) vs. his own comment (in which I never saw), him using evasive action while being fired upon, and him sensing the fire before the fire. If you say that using evasive action while been fired upon or sensing the fire before the fire is dodging then it still is not seeing bullets in slow motion my friends.

Originally posted by h1a8
Let me make things clear here.

First, it has been shown that captain america, batman, wolverine, daredevil, spiderman, etc. has dodged bullets and lasers or has it?
Using evasive action while been fired upon is not dodging! Neither is sensing the fire before the fire (like daredevil and spider-man). To literally dodge a bullet one must, [B]after the bullet is fired in their direct path, move out of the way. To do this requires super speed and super reflexes and not peak human level speed and reflexes. Thus the above characters, except spider-man, never actually dodged a bullet or laser. They simply used evasive action to avoid being hit.

Second, wolverine does not see bullets traveling in slow motion.
His reflex ability is classified as peak human (on par with captain america). He has been literally shot millions of times, hit hundreds of times by speeds far less than bullet speed (hit by Hulk, Juggernaut, Omega Red, and many human-level speed fighting combatants). Spider-man would have no problem in getting a hit on Logan, then webbing his face, then grabbing Logan's arms while wrapping his legs around him, and finally letting Logan sufficate. Spiderman on the other hand does see bullets in slow motion and also moves fast enough to actually dodge them (provided he didn't dodge before they were fired).

Third, Nightcrawler is very fast and agile. He as well should have no problem in touching Logan (this is all that is required for teleportation). To say that Logan can since his teleportation is insignificant and stupid. Nightcrawler only needs to move in (not teleport) and touch him (then teleport). Once Logan is touched then bamf!, no more Logan (to the bottom of the ocean with him).

Finally, many characters in Marvel have stated that they can do certain things. A character's comments isn't necessary proof. They are only to be accepted if it was actually shown and it doesn't contradict their other showings. So, in the case of wolverine seeing bullets in slow motion, there is overwhelming evidence pointing towards him not (like him constantly being hit by them and much slower speeds and by Marvel bios of his abilities) vs. his own comment (in which I never saw), him using evasive action while being fired upon, and him sensing the fire before the fire. If you say that using evasive action while been fired upon or sensing the fire before the fire is dodging then it still is not seeing bullets in slow motion my friends. [/B]

YES! 🤘

Originally posted by jinzin
that's nothing more than another example of how wrong the marvel directory can be.. tiger shark has helped punch away thousands of tons of rock in the water before.. he's clearly above class 100.

punching is not lifting my friend.
Batman has been shown to kick a several ton tree in half. That doesn't mean he can press it over his head. Iron fist been shown to do similar feats but he has yet to press those weights in which he demolished.

Have you guys mentioned Spider-mans new abilities too? Or are you guys talking about the traditional Spider-man?

Well Spider-mans really unorthrodoxed just like MUGEN from Samurai Champloo, even if Wolverine had lots of experience fighting people, it'd be hard to predict Spider-man's moves, and I believe Spider-mans super human strength would be accounted for.

Originally posted by h1a8
punching is not lifting my friend.
Batman has been shown to kick a several ton tree in half. That doesn't mean he can press it over his head. Iron fist been shown to do similar feats but he has yet to press those weights in which he demolished.

did u just honestly use iron fist as an example? first off iron fist can amp his strength to superhuman levels and his fists are covered in magic how is that the same has tiger shark?

Originally posted by capt it up
first off the tree batman kicked over wa snot several tons it was not even a ton. hell it was not even 1000 pounds. also that was a one tiem deal for batman.

did u just honestly use iron fist as an example? first off iron fist can amp his strength to superhuman levels and his fists are covered in magic how is that the same has tiger shark?

Well while we're on the topic, Iron Fist could beat Wolverine 😄

Originally posted by h1a8
Let me make things clear here.

First, it has been shown that captain america, batman, wolverine, daredevil, spiderman, etc. has dodged bullets and lasers or has it?
Using evasive action while been fired upon is not dodging! Neither is sensing the fire before the fire (like daredevil and spider-man). To literally dodge a bullet one must, [B]after the bullet is fired in their direct path, move out of the way. To do this requires super speed and super reflexes and not peak human level speed and reflexes. Thus the above characters, except spider-man, never actually dodged a bullet or laser. They simply used evasive action to avoid being hit.[/B]

so yeah they HAVE dodged both bullets and lazers sorry to bust your bubble.

Originally posted by h1a8
Second, wolverine does not see bullets traveling in slow motion.

Originally posted by h1a8
His reflex ability is classified as peak human (on par with captain america).

Originally posted by h1a8
He has been literally shot millions of times, hit hundreds of times by speeds far less than bullet speed

Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-man would have no problem in getting a hit on Logan, then webbing his face, then grabbing Logan's arms while wrapping his legs around him, and finally letting Logan sufficate.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spiderman on the other hand does see bullets in slow motion and also moves fast enough to actually dodge them (provided he didn't dodge before they were fired).

Originally posted by h1a8
Third, Nightcrawler is very fast and agile. He as well should have no problem in touching Logan (this is all that is required for teleportation). To say that Logan can since his teleportation is insignificant and stupid. Nightcrawler only needs to move in (not teleport) and touch him (then teleport). Once Logan is touched then bamf!, no more Logan (to the bottom of the ocean with him).

again read their fights sometime you might learn something.. nightcralwer's scared to death of logan in a h2h fight he even admitted that he could only avoi logan for so long before getting scewered...

Originally posted by h1a8
Finally, many characters in Marvel have stated that they can do certain things. A character's comments isn't necessary proof. They are only to be accepted if it was actually shown and it doesn't contradict their other showings. So, in the case of wolverine seeing bullets in slow motion, there is overwhelming evidence pointing towards him not (like him constantly being hit by them and much slower speeds and by Marvel bios of his abilities) vs. his own comment (in which I never saw), him using evasive action while being fired upon, and him sensing the fire before the fire. If you say that using evasive action while been fired upon or sensing the fire before the fire is dodging then it still is not seeing bullets in slow motion my friends.

Originally posted by h1a8
punching is not lifting my friend.
Batman has been shown to kick a several ton tree in half. That doesn't mean he can press it over his head. Iron fist been shown to do similar feats but he has yet to press those weights in which he demolished.

sending something like thousands of tons of rock flying even with a punch should more than prove that TS is a damned class 100...

If I say that Wolverine would win can this thread just end? 😐

NO because you would be a liar!

“Let me make things clear here.

First, it has been shown that captain america, batman, wolverine, daredevil, spiderman, etc. has dodged bullets and lasers or has it?
Using evasive action while been fired upon is not dodging! Neither is sensing the fire before the fire (like daredevil and spider-man). To literally dodge a bullet one must, after the bullet is fired in their direct path, move out of the way. To do this requires super speed and super reflexes and not peak human level speed and reflexes. Thus the above characters, except spider-man, never actually dodged a bullet or laser. They simply used evasive action to avoid being hit.”

Yes lets clear some thing up for u. first of all Spiderman can no dodge a laser’s after it was fired with out sensing it first. I am sorry, but that’s impossible. Spiderman would have to be moving well over the speed of light which we all know he can not.
Also dodging a bullet after it was fired is no were near dodging a laser which moves at the speed of light. Even if u sense the laser before it is fired is still a far better feat then dodging a bullet after it was fired since even if u sense the laser it is moving at the speed of light making it still almost impossible to dodge.

Also u said wolverine has never dodged a bullet after it was fired? Really now?

This feat of wolverines clearly has wolverine dodging bullets after they were fired at him (wolverine #97.) While wolverine charges guy shooting two high powered chain guns at him wolverine does not take a single hit.

(x-men x-cutioner’s song chapter 6) Cable firers a bullet at point blank at wolverine which wolverine easily dodges and then cuts cables gun in haft.

(Wolverine #24) a train assassin firer a bullet at a wolverine in mid air and yes the bullet was already fired before wolverine attempts his dodge and wolverine easiliy dodges the bullet and then comments on how easy it was.

SO what were u saying? About Spiderman being the only who, could dodge bullets after they were fired?

“Second, wolverine does not see bullets traveling in slow motion.”

Realy? Hmm that no what weapon x novel says that came out last year. Actually what the novel says is that wolverine does see bullets in slow motion.

Also the graphic novel weapon x which came out in 1987 if im not mistaken also shows that bullets move in slow motion to wolverine.

(House of M #3) this also shows bullets in slow motion when wolverine looks at two passing by him as he runs.

SO what were u saying about wolverine not seeing bullets in slow motion?

“His reflex ability is classified as peak human (on par with captain america).”

Realy now? And were do they say this?

Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
(THE SHOW DOWN OF THE CENTURY DC VERSUS MARVEL COMICS)

These official marvel sources above me all list wolverine as either superhuman or enhanced human reflex which is a whole level over peak human sooo were are u getting your info?

“He has been literally shot millions of times,”

what does this prove? All theses million of times are when wolverine clearly does not try to dodge the bullets. Wolverine allows the bullets, to hit him because they do not effect him.

“hit hundreds of times by speeds far less than bullet speed (hit by Hulk, Juggernaut, Omega Red, and many human-level speed fighting combatants).”

Same can be said for Spiderman as well, so that’s not really good evidence since, Spiderman has been hit by hulk and juggernaut before.
ALSO look up omega red stats the dude has superhuman reflexes and agility along with many other abilities and he would easily hit Spiderman and would easily defeat Spiderman

“Third, Nightcrawler is very fast and agile. He as well should have no problem in touching Logan (this is all that is required for teleportation). To say that Logan can since his teleportation is insignificant and stupid. Nightcrawler only needs to move in (not teleport) and touch him (then teleport). Once Logan is touched then bamf!, no more Logan (to the bottom of the ocean with him).”

U clearly have little knowledge of night crawlers abilites. He can not simply teleport Logan to the bottom of the ocean and Logan has shown time and times again he could easily kill night crawler before he was able to do anything of the sort.

Originally posted by samishe
Actually i explained above but you ignored it. Just look above or at the previous page.

By my logic Wolverine can't hit him because he dodges bullets.
And by my logic Spider-man can hit Wolverine because Wolverine do NOT dodge bullets the same way as Spider-man. You didn't showed any scan that proves that Wolverine's dodging abillities are something different from what I showed of Batgirl. So no prove that his reflexes are even at Batgirls's level.

And yeah, holding Nightcrawler is more impressive feat than holding train car.🙄

al u keep saying is thta my scanns did not show any thing yet as I todl u I have no scanner and i told u to read my feats which u ignored for about the 1000's time

Originally posted by samishe
Way to go Capt 😆
Showing pic of Spider-man being hit actually should prove anything?
So here you go, pic of Wolverine being slapped like a b!tch.

I'd like for somebody to explain why Wolvie supporters complain so much about the Secret Wars PIS when there was absolutely no PIS when it came down to Spidey & Wolvie. They focus on everything else and try to throw out what happend to Wolvie as PIS. What did the 5 fingers say to the face?