Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Will someone explain how Wolverine is actually going to get close enough to Spidey to hurt him?

"Because they want him to"

And how is he going to avoid the webbing that Spidey has trapped faster villains with?

"Because they want him to"

Cresh seems to think that he's explained this, but where?

"You'll probably get this answered by him."

All I'm getting is insults, but no facts.

"Get used to it."

And people say that stats don't matter.

"Not when they character they want to win is down by almost every concievable way."

When the stats are higher for one person in pretty much every single
area, then yes, they do matter.

"Not to mention not written stuff, like intelligence, resourcefulness, creativity, and dexterity, and the fact the skinny guy uses almost no effort and outclasses big buff logan."

Captain America is exactly the same as a normal person, except he is faster, stronger, more agile. Stands to reason that he'd more than likely beat a normal person in combat, right?

"No you cant say that, it makes sense."

Spidey is faster, stronger, more agile than Logan, he has Spidey sense to avoid any sneak attacks, he is able to attack from any angle, from ground/walls and ceilings, he has webbing to entrap Logan and superhuman strength with which he could throw heavy objects like cars etc - which he wouldn't need to do.

"And Logan is uncircumsized."

Logan cannot get close enough to Spidey to harm him.

"But they will find a way for him to, but if spidey nails a much slower opponent then they were idiots."

Spidey could quite easily avoid Logan with his faaar superior agility and trap him with webbing. Then proceed to mash him with heavy blunt objects, like vehicles, telephone boxes and really fat people.

"All true or he could just hang out on a wall and log on to this forum by lap top, and tell us he would win...
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I cannot see any logical reason why Spiderman would lose this.

"Logic, when did that come into play, ive used countless examples and accurate comparisons, your molding right into me."

Cresh - stop with the sarcasm and the bitterness and simply explain how Logan could realistically defeat Spiderman.

"You'll get to like him."

Juggernaut vs Collosus, Cyclops, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Angel, Marvel Girl - this does not cut it as an argument I'm afraid.

"And he doesn't outstat all of them, now a juggy for each X-member, equals X soup."

Explain how Logan can get close enough, despite Spidey's far superior agility and ability to cling to surfaces - coupled with his propensity for using this tactic all the time!! Explain how Logan would break out of the superstrong webbing he would find himself covered in.

"He can slice it, but not break it, those hands only need to be in an uncompromising position....."

I'm not saying that Wolverine isn't an awesome fighter - he is. But he is fighting against someone who can - and will - out-maneuver and trap him, rendering his sharp claws useless.

"But he is wolverine, he cant lose, he is wolverine."

Give me a calm, methodical and clear battle-tactic for Wolverine to use in this fight.

"Beat you to that punch about a week ago sorry."

I hope I've been clear and concise enough for you not to misjudge anything I've said as being insulting and/or illogical.

Ive definitely tried this one before, and I'm BAAAAck 💃

I just put intelligence, creativity, resourcefullness,

His stats does not outclass all of them together, now one juggy for each of them would be x men soup.

Originally posted by jinzin
not every nook and cranny......(spiderman didn't beat firelord without many many factors on his side)....

Many many factors on his side is just not true.

Okay you guys want to see how many aspects by which spidey wins.

Stats: we've been over this so many times yet it is not enough

Not so stats stats: Intelligence: Spidey, Cocky: Wolverine, Dexterity: Spidey, Creativity: Spidey,Gadgetry: Spidey,Versatility: Spidey,Better Hung: Spidey,Uncircumcised: Wolverine,More Girls: Spidey, Self Control: Spidey, Precision: Spidey, Strategy: Spidey, Adaptibility: Spidey, Solo fighter: Spidey, Overwhelming odds Overcomer: Spidey,need I go on

So spidey wins based on logic, stats, not physical stats, More dangerous fights, and the fact that he just has more going for him. BOOM HE RULES!!!blowup

Intelligence: spidey
Battlefield Intelligence: wolverine

Dexterity: hmmm if it's resourcfullness: spiderman
if it's the skill definition: wolverine

Gadgetry:....spiderman has organic webbing now....nobody gets this point..

Versatility:depends....you're assuming that wolverine can't be versatile...you obviously don't know much about him before he became a superhero...he was one of the most versatile agents in the buisness...he just likes to fight head on...doesn't mean he has too..

Better hung:???? 😂 I guess you would know 😉

Uncircumcised:??? sweet.....are you still convinced you don't deserve to be called a kid?

More girls: spiderman's married he gets one...two including black cat...three including betty from the early comics....wolverine well I could do an entire list if need be....but he would win this for sure...

self control: depends again....wolverine was able to pop his claws with basically no distance between the edges of those claws and professor x's head...that's some hardcore self control if you ask me...

Precision: wolverine's had to preform surgeries before.....he wins this...

strategy: opinionated....again pre super hero wolverine used ton's of strategy...he had to in order to survive...now he doesn't so he chooses to fight the way he likes to up close and personal.....doesn't mean he can't use it again....but in terms of battlefield smarts....I think he would win since spiderman's admittedly more instinctive in his fighting ability...

adaptablity: wolverine was able to trick people into thinking he WAS spiderman by using his agility......this is about even in my book....

solo fighter: wolverine wins by his nature alone.....

Overwhelming odds: considering the odds these guys have been up against...I call this a draw...

wow so spidey wins by a bunch of opinionated statements that carry him into vicotory obviously...🙄

or he loses...because wolverine's whipped his ass three times before....pffft!

wierd....your debating ability is becoming more dissapointing by the day...

The problem with webbing is it is basically a robe and works both ways. Now of course Spider-man is much stronger then Wolverine and if they got into a tug-of-war match Spider-man would win easily... except for he is almost always in the air when he webs... so he loses leverage and has no footing. Odds are Wolverine would grab the webbing and take Spider-man for a ride; its been done before... hell, its been done be Nightcrawler. And yes if Wolverine arms get pined at their sides he would be unable to cut free from the webbing, but in order for that to happen he would have a) get hit by the webbing in the first place and b) do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING while Spider-man continuous to web him up (which isn't very likely)

I've said Spider-man would must likely win most of the fights because of his webbing because if everything goes right Wolverine cant do much of anything, but he still has plenty of options. Wolverine is fast enough to hit Spider-man and he is fast enough to close and gap between the two.

Originally posted by jinzin
wierd....your debating ability is becoming more dissapointing by the day...

denial is such an ugly thing, you don't use much logic, bias is all that works with you, you have proved it in soooo many threads now, you answer very few questions.

You may be a good debator 😠 ,but all of those skills of twisting words and denying stuff, does absolutely nothing when faced for, wait for it......... the truth 😱 gasp. But perhaps you are right because I am half trying at this point because noone seems to give me any good reasons or counters any of my points very well, maybe ill take a break. Talk about me all you want until I get back, then watch out. Your twisting around will get you no where because I won't be so tired of listening to you deny everything, and will prove you guys wrong all over again like I've been doing.... until that time.blowupblowupblowup

if no one's giving you good retorts to your posts it's most likely because you're not bringing anything new to the table that hasn't already been debated over a 100 times already......for instance...when the MISTER showed up to the spidey vs. bats thread he was bringing new viewpoint after new viewpoint and made for an incredibly interesting debate......and people were inclined to logically debate bak with him...no insults no namecalling or anything of the sort whatsoever.....

the fact is that wolverine's beaten spidey three times regardless of what's on the back of some trading cards in terms of stats or whatever bias spidey fans may have (realize this in not directed to you per say) eveything else is just speculation.....but with consistant showings of the DIRECT COMPARISON of this fight....I've already made up my mind...not to say it would be easy....but I think wolverine has this 6 out of 10 times...maybe 7 but most likely 6.

nah Ive brought up plenty of points and plenty of logic for that matter, most people are too lazy to prove what will happen only say this or that happen, and for that fact the same topics are brought up to me when i have answered them numerous ways.
Noone is going by trading cards, though stats is one of the only things in a match we have to go by period it still doesn't change the fact that spidey beats wolvie physically and mentally, and devises many ways for him to beat much MORE DANGEROUS FOES, but he becomes stupid and weak with no senses, and then he somehow hangs with wolvie, That my friend is writing that supports wolverine and shows him using superhuman strength while spidey uses that of a peak human, the fact is spideys scrawny little body, has stood up to power hitters, and dangerous weapons and minds before and this is no exception, he has good fights against many powerful characters and does much dodging and such, gets to wolvie anddoes none of it.

I really have no problem reading this material per say since it is entertainment and there is still no good way that wolvie is EASILY beating spiderman 10/10 times and beserk no less.

no one's taking any of that away from spiderman....no one is saying that spiderman hasn't had good showings...but if you want to go by showings....than you have to include wolverine's feats against spiderman....you can't use stats unless they're applied...they are applied through comic books....wolverine' doesn't gain superhuman strength when he fights spidey...he's not leveling buildings or picking up trucks so I don't know where you got that from...infact in a fight between these two strength is almost a non-factor all together since either character's strength doesn't really do them any good here.....

as far as using writing that supports the characters I'm debating for.....this is a debate....what would you have me do? use the writing that shows him at his weakest? use examples from when he had no powers? this is a debate you use your knowledge and valid points supporting your argument and I'll use mine....the point is my using the wolvie vs. spidey fights for this thread is not coincidental (sp?) there are 4 or five direct comparison's that these characters have been apart of in a vs. scenario....spiderman's got the upper hand in one of these and it was more circumstantial than the fights in wolverine's favor...if you don't like it....that's fine...disagree...but there's no reason to discard it as bad writing everytime your character is shown to be less capable that his fans think he is...
and I don't think anyone is trying to say wolverine wins 10/10 it's painfully obvious he won't do that....

what i have never used the bad writing excuse sorry if it came off like that, I am saying there is nothing that I can do against ones who write for him to be stupid or whatever.

However the fact is that pis is true, it is mere opinion when he was beaten or wasn't whatever, Spidey hardly uses strength anyway, and simply just has more options, skills, features, etc. in a fight which is what I'm placing it off of.

Stats are applied Ive given many ways this strength has been applied etc by comics. but it is hard to use just that in a DEBATE on a scenario which is looked at in a new perspective, people keep saying that wolvie is simply better than spidey, without making any good points, and Im tired of wasting time writing ways that spidey can beat wolverine, and outclasses him physically mentally gadgetry etc. but you are a better debator and are worth it.

In this I can say logan has been shown to be owned by aunt may, theres one extra piece of evidence.

Anyway I hardly see how i am being irrational by thinking spidey can stand a chance showing what the two are both capable of at their max without writers potraying it as otherwise, Spidey is simply more versatile, period and there is no logical way he will lose easily to logan with all of his powers being recognized and used.

nah, kristen dunst came over and told me that he was better hung

and wolvie is uncircumcised since that foreskin healed up a looooong time ago , he probably has given up on it by now, and that leads to point three...

He likes a girl he will never get,

If you think wolvie is more coordination and dexterity than spidey you need help.

I didn't say he wasn't versatile, but Spidey just has more approaches and ways out of situations which leads me to the next point..

His mind, he has ways out of many situations, battle intelligence against normal guys aint nothin on a superhero, granted spidey has proven his ability to hang with and beat older, more respected fighters such as Cap, DD, and this list goes on so long it aint necessary.

Wolvie ain't as adaptable as spidey period, he can only do so much against so many enemies, he gets nullified by many within his own institue, and can do little against those who fly and stick high on walls hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Spidey fights with the efficiency of a team, and has gone against multiple superheros time and time again, unless you think wolvies beating the sinister six anytime soon...............

Wolvie was shown to be beat by aunt may so that kills any chance he LOGICALLY HAS against spidey.

And for the kid crack i hate to do this but against all stereotypes, ARENT YOU TOO OLD TO BE ON FORUMS ANYWAY!!!!

Those were some great points I brought up, you did add some humor however, boom he rules.blowupblowupblowup

Lose easily, no, probably not. Lose more often then not, yes, quite likely.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Okay you guys want to see how many aspects by which spidey wins.

Stats: we've been over this so many times yet it is not enough

Not so stats stats: Intelligence: Spidey, Cocky: Wolverine, Dexterity: Spidey, Creativity: Spidey,Gadgetry: Spidey,Versatility: Spidey,Better Hung: Spidey,Uncircumcised: Wolverine,More Girls: Spidey, Self Control: Spidey, Precision: Spidey, Strategy: Spidey, Adaptibility: Spidey, Solo fighter: Spidey, Overwhelming odds Overcomer: Spidey,need I go on

So spidey wins based on logic, stats, not physical stats, More dangerous fights, and the fact that he just has more going for him. BOOM HE RULES!!!blowup

Actually when Spidey and Wolvie switched minds, Parker looks in his pants and he's astonished at his new bodie's package. So sorry bub!

More girls spidey? Have you read any Wolvie at all?

Self control Spidey? Right, how silly of me to think that a guy who spent a life time learning Bushido for the soul purpose of controlling himself would have more self control.

Would a healing facter heal a circumcision?

Precision spidey? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahha. Sorry man, not even close.

Strategy Spidey? circumstancial strategy that comes down to bookworm type knowledge yes, the type that usually wins you a fight, no.

Considering Wolvie's beat guys around the same class as spidey and according to you he has less going for him, by defualt the "overwhelming odds overcomer" goes to Wolvie too. The only way he wins this one is if you admit Wolvie has more going for him.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
nah, kristen dunst came over and told me that he was better hung

and wolvie is uncircumcised since that foreskin healed up a looooong time ago , he probably has given up on it by now, and that leads to point three...

He likes a girl he will never get,

If you think wolvie is more coordination and dexterity than spidey you need help.

I didn't say he wasn't versatile, but Spidey just has more approaches and ways out of situations which leads me to the next point..

His mind, he has ways out of many situations, battle intelligence against normal guys aint nothin on a superhero, granted spidey has proven his ability to hang with and beat older, more respected fighters such as Cap, DD, and this list goes on so long it aint necessary.

Wolvie ain't as adaptable as spidey period, he can only do so much against so many enemies, he gets nullified by many within his own institue, and can do little against those who fly and stick high on walls hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Spidey fights with the efficiency of a team, and has gone against multiple superheros time and time again, unless you think wolvies beating the sinister six anytime soon...............

Wolvie was shown to be beat by aunt may so that kills any chance he LOGICALLY HAS against spidey.

And for the kid crack i hate to do this but against all stereotypes, ARENT YOU TOO OLD TO BE ON FORUMS ANYWAY!!!!

Those were some great points I brought up, you did add some humor however, boom he rules.blowupblowupblowup

Fly and stick on walls, I guess you forgot how many times he's whipped Nightcrawler.

Beat by aunt may? Now your just talking smack.

The largest demograph for comic book buyers is ages 20-45 (I might be slightly off because I haven't looked this up since before the "comic movie trend" but I doubt it has changed much.)

Your "great points" were good for some comic relief, sadly, they are also your strongest arguements.

for the one that said spidey is more intelligent/smarter than logan...
books wise prolly, but when it comes to fighting, logan hands down

spidey can fight at a distance, but logan can also play hide and seek too, confuse spidey's senses so he can get a decent shot (fatal hehehe)... he doesnt necessarily have to chase spidey

but it's really the writer's choice

Nah, his fighting is unique and unorthodox, we've already established the concepts of real fighting both in real life and comics. Wolvie aint going to play on spideys senses, dock ock has faster strongerand better reachin weapons, that thinks on their own, and spidey took care of that fine, anyway Spidey ain't getting touch unless he wants to, thanks for your posts.

Actually he did get beat by aunt may ask Zahit.

Wolvie ain't hardly whooping night crawler and I simply must do this.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Nah, his fighting is unique and unorthodox, we've already established the concepts of real fighting both in real life and comics. Wolvie aint going to play on spideys senses, dock ock has faster strongerand better reachin weapons, that thinks on their own, and spidey took care of that fine, anyway Spidey ain't getting touch unless he wants to, thanks for your posts.