i can't get my facts straight huh yerssot? well here's one fact I think i've got pretty well understood, now, correct me if i'm wrong but Kenobi did cut Maul in half right? I got that part right didn't I? Okay, so going by whats on film, Kenobi sorta won that fight, which means he obviously was doing something better than Maul. So no matter how much you want to pump maul up in coolness, Obi-wan Kenobi cut his ***** ass in half. Badda bing. Kenobi's the winner. Kenobi fought better. Kenobi was thus stronger.
Right, first of all, sword fighting is like a tennis match- best person does not always win.
Secondly, Obi-Wan DIDN'T Force Run through the gates, and I think we can safely assume he WOULD have if he COULD, so there must be good reason for him not doing so- which could be for many reasons. Some have suggested caution, though I think that with a Jedi's timing and that Maul and QGJ wewre some way away from the entrance by then AND that Obi-Wan did not seem the cautious type, I am more inclinded to believe that the huge jump he had just made had taken it out of him. Yes, we have no definitive idea on this at all. But I find the idea that there is a finite 'force pool' he had exhausted not at all objectionable.
Third, despite my first sentence, Maul was clearly the better fighter, when you study his moves. Obi-Wan had his moments but Maul planned that fight well. Obi-Wan made all kind of errors.
But better straight FIGHTER does not necessarily make you better WARRIOR, or all-around solider, or however you might want to put it. Maul's arrogance impaired his efficiency, and he died for it. That could easily make out Obi-Wan to be superior in many ways, even though Maul was the better straight swordfighter.
As Obi-Wan himself puts it, "In my experience there is no such thing as luck..."
Originally posted by mephistodesigns
i can't get my facts straight huh yerssot? well here's one fact I think i've got pretty well understood, now, correct me if i'm wrong but Kenobi did cut Maul in half right? I got that part right didn't I? Okay, so going by whats on film, Kenobi sorta won that fight, which means he obviously was doing something better than Maul. So no matter how much you want to pump maul up in coolness, Obi-wan Kenobi cut his ***** ass in half. Badda bing. Kenobi's the winner. Kenobi fought better. Kenobi was thus stronger.
ie: He jumps to Maul who's on a bridge-thing, QGJ just jumps normal, OB1 has to make a salta, making him very vunerable when he lands
or: he runs before QGJ while fighting Maul, if his master doesn't pay attention he could have cut him in two
want more?
Kay here's what I think: If Maul had been stronger, he would have not got chopped in half. If he had been a true Sith, he would have not let his arrogence blind him and he would have killed Obi-Wan. There was no reason for him to let Obi-Wan just hang there. There is another thread where somebody mentioned that overconfidence is sort of a running theme in Star Wars. All too true. Your strength as a jedi or a Sith is not measured in fighting ability alone.
YOU said look at how Obi-wan fights, after posting a direct quote to my post. You were clearly addressing me. You brought up his fighting style. And then proved my point by saying that Obi-wan fought like and apprentice, if he did, and still won, then Maul did something wrong, either in fighting or thinking, and a fault in either category would make him lose to Obi-wan, who obviously did not share that fault, thus making him superior as he won. I don't need to watch it again. I know it shot for shot line for line. THE FACT REMAINS: MAUL LOST, OBI-WAN was triumphant. BAM! that's all folks!
Obi-Wan is a simple jedi padawan, one of many in the republic. He hadnt
been prepared to fight the sith, because their existance was not yet known
On the other hand Darth Maul is an apprentice one of one in the galaxy. Which means that in order to launch their attack the Sith had to be prepared, their could be no mistake. Maul was prepared in the ways of the sith in order to crush the jedi, he was the first of the reborned sith:
he had to be better than the jedi.
But he died nearly as soon as he appeared and was killed by an apprentice who was not prepard to battle Sith unlike he was (prepared
to battle jedi).
And even better, if Obi-Wan won because he wanted to revenge Qui-Gonn, then it prooves that he was better than Maul.
Because anger, hate and revenge are the Sith ways which are constantly felt by Maul. Therefore Obi-Wan beat Maul
at his own game.
Obi-Wan one the battle because he was able to see what Maul was not able to see. True Maul had the whole thing planned, but he obviously under estimated the young padawan. Obi-wan saw he was facing a great warrior and used, although sloppy, didnt hold anythign back out of arrogance.
There is a form of jedi combat called form VII, where a jedi uses their emotions to fuel their fighting abiliy. I think Obi-Wan tapped into this form (Only used by Master Windu). Obi Wan should have lost but Maul signed his own death certificate when he underestimated arguably what was to become one of th the most powerful jedi in the galaxy.