Another bombing in Iraq

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Another bombing in Iraq

I just turned on Fox and saw this.

At Least 75 Killed in Iraq Mosque Blast

Friday, August 29, 2003

NAJAF,Iraq — A Friday morning prayer service was rocked by a deadly car bomb that reportedly killed at least 75 people in the Iraqi city of Najaf, among them Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim (search), one of the region's most respected Shiite (search) clerics.

Al-Hakim, 64, and scores of others were attending services at the Imam Ali mosque in the town of Najaf (search) when the bomb exploded, leaving a hole in front of the mosque of about 3 feet wide and continuing a trend of escalating violence in the town, a holy city 110 miles southwest of Baghdad.

Hospital officials reported that at least another 140 people were injured, many of them seriously, leaving many of the regions medical facilities overflowing with victims in need of emergency treatment.

• Video: Shiite Leader Killed in Attack

"The bombing today shows again that the enemies of the new Iraq will stop at nothing," said L. Paul Bremer, the top U.S. civil administrator in Iraq. "Again, they have violated one of Islam's most sacred places."

The blast came one week after a bomb exploded outside the house of another of Iraq's most important Shiite clerics, killing three guards and injuring 10 others, including family members.

The gas cylinder was placed along the outside wall of the home of Mohammed Saeed al-Hakim in Najaf. It exploded just after noon prayers Aug. 24. Mohammed Saeed al-Hakim is related to the ayatollah who may have been the target of Friday's attack.

Abdel-Aziz al-Hakim, a Governing Council member, was leader of the armed wing of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, headquartered in Iran before the war. Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim, his brother, was the leader of the organization and had been dividing his time between Tehran and Najaf.

The Al-Hakims are one of the most influential families in the Shiite community in Iraq.

Iraqi newspapers reported two weeks ago that the Mohammed Saeed al-Hakim had received threats against his life. He also is one of three top Shiite leaders threatened with death by a rival Shiite cleric shortly after Saddam Hussein was toppled April 9.

A day after Saddam's ouster, a mob in Najaf hacked to death a Shiite cleric who had returned from exile. Abdul Majid al-Khoei was killed when a meeting called to reconcile rival Shiite groups erupted into a melee.

Shiites make up some 60 percent of Iraq's 24 million people.

"I saw al-Hakim walk out of the shrine after his sermon and moments later, there was a massive explosion. There were many dead bodies," said Abdul Amir Jassem, a 40-year-old merchant who was in the mosque and said the cleric had prayed for Iraqi unity.

Ayatollah al-Hakim was the spiritual leader of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq and had divided his time since the end of the war between Tehran and Najaf, the holiest Shiite Muslim city in Iraq.

Mohsen Hakim, another of the cleric's nephews and a spokesman for the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution of Iraq, said in Tehran that Saddam loyalists were the prime suspects behind the killing, and he called on the U.S. occupation forces to identify the murderers.

Ahmad Chalabi (search), the head of the Iraqi National Congress and a Governing Council member, blamed U.S. forces for not keeping the region secure. Speaking on Al-Jazeera, he also said Saddam supporters were behind it and they were trying to create sectarian discord in the country.

No coalition troops were in the area of the mosque out of respect for the holy site, Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Jim Cassella said in Washington.

Also on Friday, attackers fired rocket-propelled grenades at two U.S. convoys in separate ambushes, killing one American soldier and wounding six, the U.S. military said.

Insurgents fired three rocket-propelled grenades at a supply convoy on a main road northeast of Baqouba, 40 miles northeast of Baghdad, said Capt. Jay Miller from the 67th Armor Regiment's 3rd Battalion.

The soldiers were also hit by small arms fire. One of the wounded soldiers would have to have a leg amputated, said Capt. David Nelson from the 4th Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade.

The death raised the number of American soldiers killed in Iraq to 282. Of those, 67 have died in combat since May 1, when President Bush declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq.

Another U.S. Army convoy was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade near a mosque in Fallujah, 30 miles west of Baghdad, said Spc. Margo Doers, a spokeswoman at coalition command in Baghdad. She said two were wounded in the attack, according to early reports.

In Saddam's hometown of Tikrit, 120 miles north of Baghdad, the U.S.-backed police chief narrowly escaped an assassination attempt Thursday.

Attackers sprayed bullets at police chief Talab Shamel Ahmed's convoy as it traveled on the main highway linking the city to Samara, said Lt. Rosco Woods, a U.S. military police officer supervising the Tikrit police force.

Ahmed escaped unhurt, but his driver was in critical condition in the Tikrit hospital, Woods said. The police chief was clearly targeted in the attack, which left the rear of his car riddled with bullets.

Ahmed is the fourth police chief in Saddam's hometown since U.S. troops occupied it in April. The U.S. military fired the other three for incompetence, Woods said.

There have been several attacks or attempted assassinations of police chiefs working with U.S. military authorities in Iraq. The police chief of Baiji, a town north of Tikrit, was also a target of one such attempt earlier this month, the military said.

Meanwhile at the United Nations, key Security Council members said U.S. talk of relinquishing some military authority in Iraq was a first step in trying to deal with the postwar turmoil. But they said a real solution will require more power for Iraqis and the United Nations.

The Bush administration is sounding out nations on a possible new U.N. resolution that would transform the U.S.-led force in Iraq into a multinational force authorized by the United Nations with an American commander.

The United States is trying to assess whether the proposal — which was floated last week by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan — would prompt more countries to send peacekeeping troops to Iraq, thereby enabling some of the 138,000 U.S. troops in the country to return home.

The 4th Infantry Division troops carried out three raids across north central Iraq over a 24-hour period and detained 25 people, two of whom were targeted as Saddam loyalists suspected of planning attacks on U.S.-led coalition forces, said Lt. Col. William MacDonald, spokesman for the 4th Infantry Division.

Earlier Friday, the United Nations released a list naming 22 victims killed in the Aug. 19 suicide bombing of its Baghdad headquarters.

Sergio Vieira de Mello of Brazil, the secretary-general's special representative to Iraq, died in the attack. The other victims included nine Iraqis, three Americans, two Canadians, and two Egyptians. One person died from each of the following countries: Spain, Iran, Jordan, Scotland, and the Philippines.

Thoes americans are only asking for trouble. Soon enough, they will have nothing else to bomb

CO you seem to be quick to point out Americans and their bombing campaigns, but refuse to see the damage that Canada has and still continues to dish out to the American Indian-taking what little land they have left and cutting down what trees are left and pushing what remains of my Algonquin brethren off their lands to make room for your mills and roads.

Also, let's not forget the prejudice that still remains among the 'good ole boys' that leads to the occasional gang beating or killing of some innocent Indian who's minding their own business.

Oh, and since there happen to be some Frenchmen left in Canada, lets remind everyone that the French tried to impose THEIR will on the people of Indochina, or Vietnam as we call it. So laugh it up, ***** all you want about America, but remember that when it come to the imposition of will and the forcible establishment of political and cultural beachheads, noone is innocent...

but they didnt bomb this mosque

Originally posted by finti
but they didnt bomb this mosque

No the Americans didn't bomb the mosque (if that's what you mean but even if you don't the fact remains that Americans didn't bomb the mosque.)

Regardless of the Shi'ite-Sunni rivalry, let's look at this and see that it was perhaps the Baath and Saddam loyalists that are doing this-and while people continue to blame America for murder and this and that and whatever else they can pull out of their ass...the fact remains is that Iraqis have defied Islamic decree by hurting and killing each other.

In true Islam, it's a crime to even THINK about hurting your fellow Muslims. So while the process of peace may be bogged down in Iraq, don't forget what's happening, and the fact that it shouldn't be happening under Islamic law.

It's a mess all around..

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
CO you seem to be quick to point out Americans and their bombing campaigns, but refuse to see the damage that Canada has and still continues to dish out to the American Indian-taking what little land they have left and cutting down what trees are left and pushing what remains of my Algonquin brethren off their lands to make room for your mills and roads.

Also, let's not forget the prejudice that still remains among the 'good ole boys' that leads to the occasional gang beating or killing of some innocent Indian who's minding their own business.

Oh, and since there happen to be some Frenchmen left in Canada, lets remind everyone that the French tried to impose THEIR will on the people of Indochina, or Vietnam as we call it. So laugh it up, ***** all you want about America, but remember that when it come to the imposition of will and the forcible establishment of political and cultural beachheads, noone is innocent...

I ignorent Baster*d. Listen up!!!! If there is 1 person who is prjudice here it is you!!!! I am A f@¢king french, and so is most of my familly. I feel direct;y insulted by that. WE ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT!!!! I AM NOT!!!! SOME of the french here don't like English ppl. BUT THAT IS ALL!!! AND i should know i live in QC. As for the indian Sh*t, THAT WAS F@¢KING A HUNDRED YEARS AGO!!!!!!!! AND WE HAVE INDIAN BURROWS!!!!! I am not prigudice of indians. I am part Iroqoui (indian) and soime of my friends ARE indian. From What I have seen, it is only a minor percentage of the population here that is against them. But the people i know, if i told them i was indaun, they would be agains me too!!!!!!! (i am also part hebrew, greec and french But a catholic) You are judging and entire population when it is only a few of them. Ounce again... I feel targeted, as for i resemble most of that remark.

I am MAD right now.

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Crash Overload.
Fred - A. N.

bla, bla bla...

it happens. and will continue to happen for the rest of my life amd far beyond. we need hate so we can have love. with no hate how would you know what love is... you wouldn't. so basically war and voilence are just a part of nature... get over it. we do need to tone the level of warfare down to swords and knives, but war is here to stay.

Originally posted by Crash_Overload
I ignorent Baster*d. Listen up!!!! If there is 1 person who is prjudice here it is you!!!! I am A f@¢king french, and so is most of my familly. I feel direct;y insulted by that. WE ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT!!!! I AM NOT!!!! SOME of the french here don't like English ppl. BUT THAT IS ALL!!! AND i should know i live in QC. As for the indian Sh*t, THAT WAS F@¢KING A HUNDRED YEARS AGO!!!!!!!! AND WE HAVE INDIAN BURROWS!!!!! I am not prigudice of indians. I am part Iroqoui (indian) and soime of my friends ARE indian. From What I have seen, it is only a minor percentage of the population here that is against them. But the people i know, if i told them i was indaun, they would be agains me too!!!!!!! (i am also part hebrew, greec and french But a catholic) You are judging and entire population when it is only a few of them. Ounce again... I feel targeted, as for i resemble most of that remark.

I am MAD right now.

Your Friend

Crash Overload.
Fred - A. N.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww.............well maybe you'll think about that the next time you decide to criticize other people's shortcomings before looking at your own.

Besides, I FULL BLOODED, not half. My colors don't run. And it dosen't matter if it was a couple hundred years ago, or 1954 in French Indochina-you guys STILL did it.....you think time washes away the blood?

You're more ignorant than I am if you think that......so you're French, and you're offended, get over it. People get pissed every day.

Tell your brethren in Europe to star earning their UN andNATO pay by actually making a committment to the international scene, instead of taking sides with the country that ran over you twice in one century, or some middle aged balding Russian president who still sees himself as a communist....

If the French don't want to Fight, Well they have there reasons. It is not like YOU HAVE to go fight. This time there is NO conscription. I know what happened. You may be more knowledgeable, but you do have like 20 years of time ahead of me.

Crash_Overload says
You are judging and entire population when it is only a few of them. Ounce again... I feel targeted, as for i resemble most of that remark.

Well then you know how Americans feel when they get treated like shit every time they go to Paris-you guys treat tourists like shit but yet you want their money right?

You get what you give, the golden rule. That's life. Maybe of you actually treated people better you wouldn't have to live with the stigma of being a bunch of sissies who only care about eating snails and frog legs with a glass of wine before you make love with your face to a woman who dosen't know what a razor OR a bathtub is for. Fu*K YOU!!!

DB says "You get what you give, the golden rule. That's life"

and your giving shit to people...

Originally posted by happy kine
DB says "You get what you give, the golden rule. That's life"

and your giving shit to people...

*holds comment* so true.

Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Crash_Overload says
You are judging and entire population when it is only a few of them. Ounce again... I feel targeted, as for i resemble most of that remark.

Well then you know how Americans feel when they get treated like shit every time they go to Paris-you guys treat tourists like shit but yet you want their money right?

You get what you give, the golden rule. That's life. Maybe of you actually treated people better you wouldn't have to live with the stigma of being a bunch of sissies who only care about eating snails and frog legs with a glass of wine before you make love with your face to a woman who dosen't know what a razor OR a bathtub is for. Fu*K YOU!!!

AH HEM!!!! i am Canadian, Born and Raised. I did say that.

Whay am I doing this? Because I want you to realize the unprovoked shit that we Americans live with every day-for no reason.

America never did anything to the French, and you had our backs against the British in the Revolution, but that was only because you wanted to get back at the British.....let's be honest here.

You loved us when we died for your Freedom on Normandy Beach during D-Day, right? And you put awy your differences with the British when they died for you too, right?

Yeah you may have hurt feelings, and 2 wrongs may not make a right, but this is the type of hate Americans live with every day, and since America has never done anything to the French, (in Canada OR France) I just want to know.....WHY?

Maybe if you saw it thru our eyes, you'd think differently...

Maybe cause they just don't want to get involved in another war! Oh and Also because they said "If the UN supports the invasion, then we will go"

Yeah you get what you give-so why don't you guys over in Canada and France just layoff of us, and try to help us with the future?

You know, everyone in Europe laughs at the French, and it goes past the Monty Python thing. So there has to be some truth to it. Maybe it's time for you guys to change.

And yeah, the French don't have to fight if they don't want to, but where would Europe be if America took that position?

You may say that we did it because we were attcked and had no choice, andwe did it for ourselves, and that,inthe same boat, is why France decided to help us expel the British during the Revolution-a personal chance to get revenge.

So we're all guilty of self gain for political purposes.

Does THAT make sense?

Yes in way. But the leaders changed. Nothing is the same. Look at the population before Black Thursday.... During.... The generation that lived it...... And us now.... we waste a LOT. Our Grandperants did not. Even if they were just kids during that time. (well for sime of us)

Originally posted by Crash_Overload
Maybe cause they just don't want to get involved in another war! Oh and Also because they said "If the UN supports the invasion, then we will go"

If you listen to the UN you'll get nowhere. Alright look, I'm sorry I used the F word to you, but you also used it to me, so let's forget about it. OK?

Yes I DO have twentysome more years experience in the world than you, and it pisses me off when people say 'whatever' and just layblame on whoever.

America has gotten the blame for way too many things. One of you here said war is a part of history, and this is just part of the ongoing cycle. Agreed.

However, this all could have been avoided if we had the same coalition in 1991. What makes it so different NOW than in 1991?

It was over the oil, because the other allies knew that if they failed to participate, that Saudi Arabia and Kuwait could have just pulled the plug on them, and bingo,no more oil!

So to accuse Bush of just wanting oil is wrong,because oil,and the need for it, was what got the coalition into Iraq the first time. It goes far beyond the military objective of liberating Kuwait..it comes down to the maintenance of personal and national gain. But yet America gets all the blame.....

But we're ALL guilty, simple as that. Case closed.

*Shakes D.B.'s Hand*