Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^How can that be true when logic dictates that Asstner is technically correct?
Originally posted by That ACDC Chick
Because by your logic a paragraph typed on one thread page followed by a few sentences typed on another equals to two whole pages. There's no getting around that I didn't type up the proclaimed "two pages of bitching" you and him are talking about. But hey. Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy. I prefer a good book to help lull me off to bed, personally.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Concession accepted. I win again.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
A fanboy? Lol no, I'm just someone who knows a thing or two about boxing. The way JDS set up that combo was 100% skill and not luck. Cain left a hole in his defense, JDS capitalized. That's what happened, you can call it luck all you want but you're just proving that you don't know what you're looking at.Do you want to see exactly what I said in action?
JDS tosses the lazy jab, Cain tries to counter without moving his head, his hands are out of position and he gets nailed with the overhand.
The fact that JDS couldn't do it again doesn't mean it was luck, that's ridiculous. Rousimar Palhares might not be able to kneebar Mike Pierce in a rematch, does that mean that what happened in their fight was luck? No, of course not. Anthony Pettis didn't land a flying head kick against Ben Henderson in their rematch, does that mean it was a fluke when it actually happened? No, it was a brilliantly timed move that Bendo didn't see coming, kind of like Cain vs JDS 1.
Cain didn't beat JDS with just his striking, he pressured him much more and attempted TDs much more and wore him down in the clinch.
We've all seen what happens when Cain doesn't do that and tries to stand with JDS, he lasts 64 seconds. Even in the third fight Cain got rocked on the first exchange and immediately shot for a takedown, is that a fluke too? No, Cain clearly knows he can't win by just standing with JDS.
And then you want to talk about injuries (after criticizing me for "throwing out excuses"😉, while you're completely ignoring the fact that JDS was also injured in the first fight and was on crutches a few days before the actual fight.
You're calling me a fanboy, when you're the one who clearly can't take any criticism for your boy. I've already said Cain is the better fighter, not sure why you keep repeating that.
The first fight was a case of Cain trying to stand with JDS and getting outboxed by the superior striker. Cain obviously knows that's a bad idea, seeing as how he fought completely differently in the next two fights.
I'm not being a fanboy, I just know what I'm looking at, no offense.
Educate yourself, grasshopper.
His BJJ was also on full display as being completely ineffectual in both matches. Compared to Cain, he might as well be a novice in the grappling department. 👆
Cain proved himself as the superior in both their rematches. He dominated Dos Santos for full 5 rounds with a savage beating in both instances. JDS ended up self-KOing by falling onto the mat in their second rematch. Horrific showing for the idol you worship. Dos Santos' inability to repeat the same overhand right which he floored Cain with in their first fight shows that it was a lucky shot. I mean, come on, he had 2 chances to do so, with all the training in the world and he blew it. I'll even go so far as to predict that he'll come with another lame excuse for his second loss like he did in the previous rematch with those flimsy divorce and overtraining excuses. How tragic it must be to be a JDS fanboy these day.
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Todays my birthday and i almost forgot ha! I wonder if anyone in history ever forgot their birthday? Anyways i want to be bold and go to the dollar store and buy one of those paper party hats and wear it all day, just randomly wear it see if anyone says anything. I ****en dare myself. Hey ac slater is ur bday on the 19th?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You're being a fanboy. JDS failed to repeat the lucky punch in their rematch. He's a one-trick pony that got lucky in their first round. Velasquez dominated him in both their rematches.😂His BJJ was also on full display as being completely ineffectual in both matches. Compared to Cain, he might as well be a novice in the grappling department. 👆
Cain proved himself as the superior in both their rematches. He dominated Dos Santos for full 5 rounds with a savage beating in both instances. JDS ended up self-KOing by falling onto the mat in their second rematch. Horrific showing for the idol you worship. Dos Santos' inability to repeat the same overhand right which he floored Cain with in their first fight shows that it was a lucky shot. I mean, come on, he had 2 chances to do so, with all the training in the world and he blew it. I'll even go so far as to predict that he'll come with another lame excuse for his second loss like he did in the previous rematch with those flimsy divorce and overtraining excuses. How tragic it must be to be a JDS fanboy these day.
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Yeah, it has to be a lucky shot because it's not like JDS is a KO artist who has laid waste to nearly everyone in the division.
I've explained to you the techniques that JDS used to set up the combo he flattened Cain with. If you still continue to call that luck, you're just in denial, and clearly don't know anything about boxing. Cain got outboxed and KO'd. No two ways about it. You can't explain how that punch was lucky (as if JDS just accidentally set up a combo and got the KO win), you just keep repeating "lucky shot". Rematches don't always turn out like the first fight, that doesn't mean that the first fight was "luck".
JDS just has better striking. Cain can catch him because of constant pressure, and threatening with takedowns. In a boxing or kickboxing match, JDS would toy with him. Not saying JDS is the better fighter, I don't think he is, but he is without a doubt the better striker.
Cain can only outgrapple JDS when JDS is worn down from defending. Cain got a takedown in the first round of their rematch, and was immediately reversed and lost control of him in about 3 seconds. That doesn't say much for Cain if he has that much trouble with a "novice" grappler. Cain only takes over after JDS is worn down.
Again, you keep calling me a fanboy when you're the one who can't stand to have your favorite fighter criticized. Cain is not perfect sir, not even close. Cain constantly fails with his head movement, ducks into punches, and gets caught far more often than people realize (Brock Lesnar was even catching him with punches).
Not sure why you keep saying I worship JDS, I've said multiple times that Cain is the better fighter and beat JDS fair and square. That doesn't mean that the first fight was a "lucky shot"... I suppose these were lucky shots too:
^Notice it's the same overhand he caught Cain with (only Hunt defended better because he at least moved with the punch and didn't just keep his head stationary), and he did it this time to a much more accomplished striker than Cain Velasquez. Must have been luck, right?
^One of my favorite KO's. JDS slips Yvel's 1-2 and counters with a cross to the body. Yvel stands up as straight as he can (something strikers are taught to do when they take a big body shot to avoid going down), but leaves his hands too low, which opens him for the left hook.
Clearly no skill there though, all luck.
Gonzaga comes in to kick, drops his right hand, thus opening himself for the left hook. This is what JDS should have done against Velasquez. Notice how he stays planted here and doesn't back up. Cain left himself WIDE open (particularly in the second fight) when he was coming in for takedowns and JDS could have caught him but instead he was too concerned about defending his hips and just let himself gas out.
JDS didn't catch him with the overhand in the rematches because they were completely different fights. Cain fought differently, didn't want to just strike with JDS, and kept pressuring him and mixing in TD attempts. He came out and tried to strike with JDS in the third fight, and got rocked on the first exchange, then immediately shot for a takedown. Cain knows JDS is better than he is at distance, that's why he said his gameplan would be to take JDS down when he wants to strike, and strike with him when he expects a takedown.
Lol, you talk about excuses after bringing up Cain's injury (which he had already pretty much recovered from) and conveniently forget which guy was on crutches a few days before the fight, and had knee surgery like two weeks after the fight.
The first fight was not luck, it was a case of Cain testing his stand-up against a superior striker and barely lasting a minute.
Originally posted by Insomniatric
Yeah, it has to be a lucky shot because it's not like JDS is a KO artist who has laid waste to nearly everyone in the division.I've explained to you the techniques that JDS used to set up the combo he flattened Cain with. If you still continue to call that luck, you're just in denial, and clearly don't know anything about boxing. Cain got outboxed and KO'd. No two ways about it. You can't explain how that punch was lucky (as if JDS just accidentally set up a combo and got the KO win), you just keep repeating "lucky shot". Rematches don't always turn out like the first fight, that doesn't mean that the first fight was "luck".
JDS just has better striking. Cain can catch him because of constant pressure, and threatening with takedowns. In a boxing or kickboxing match, JDS would toy with him. Not saying JDS is the better fighter, I don't think he is, but he is without a doubt the better striker.
Cain can only outgrapple JDS when JDS is worn down from defending. Cain got a takedown in the first round of their rematch, and was immediately reversed and lost control of him in about 3 seconds. That doesn't say much for Cain if he has that much trouble with a "novice" grappler. Cain only takes over after JDS is worn down.
Again, you keep calling me a fanboy when you're the one who can't stand to have your favorite fighter criticized. Cain is not perfect sir, not even close. Cain constantly fails with his head movement, ducks into punches, and gets caught far more often than people realize (Brock Lesnar was even catching him with punches).
Not sure why you keep saying I worship JDS, I've said multiple times that Cain is the better fighter and beat JDS fair and square. That doesn't mean that the first fight was a "lucky shot"... I suppose these were lucky shots too:
^Notice it's the same overhand he caught Cain with (only Hunt defended better because he at least moved with the punch and didn't just keep his head stationary), and he did it this time to a much more accomplished striker than Cain Velasquez. Must have been luck, right?
^One of my favorite KO's. JDS slips Yvel's 1-2 and counters with a cross to the body. Yvel stands up as straight as he can (something strikers are taught to do when they take a big body shot to avoid going down), but leaves his hands too low, which opens him for the left hook.
Clearly no skill there though, all luck.
Gonzaga comes in to kick, drops his right hand, thus opening himself for the left hook. This is what JDS should have done against Velasquez. Notice how he stays planted here and doesn't back up. Cain left himself WIDE open (particularly in the second fight) when he was coming in for takedowns and JDS could have caught him but instead he was too concerned about defending his hips and just let himself gas out.
JDS didn't catch him with the overhand in the rematches because they were completely different fights. Cain fought differently, didn't want to just strike with JDS, and kept pressuring him and mixing in TD attempts. He came out and tried to strike with JDS in the third fight, and got rocked on the first exchange, then immediately shot for a takedown. Cain knows JDS is better than he is at distance, that's why he said his gameplan would be to take JDS down when he wants to strike, and strike with him when he expects a takedown.
Lol, you talk about excuses after bringing up Cain's injury (which he had already pretty much recovered from) and conveniently forget which guy was on crutches a few days before the fight, and had knee surgery like two weeks after the fight.
The first fight was not luck, it was a case of Cain testing his stand-up against a superior striker and barely lasting a minute.
None of this takes away from the fact that Dos Santos' win in the first fight was a lucky punch. He failed to repeat it in either of their rematches, and instead got thoroughly dominated both times. Cain has his number, as proven in both UFC 155 and UFC 166. Point proven.
So onefirestorm u got the same birthday as me? Sweet. Wa u do? I went over to my sisters, parents came to and we ordered some food and cake. The night before my friends took me to a fancy rest for dinner. It really is not that important to me my new friends keep telling me it should be but i still wouldnt care as much. Anyways happy belated b~day.