JDS lost to Cain again tonight, sucks. Call me bitter, but I'm getting pretty tired of watching my favorite fighters lose.
It was sad seeing JDS trying to look happy and maintain a smile after the fight when he clearly wanted to just break down.
Cain is the man though, much respect to him.
Everyone I was with was pulling for Cain, and they all felt the need to brag incessantly to me about Cain winning, bunch of dicks. I never brag when my guys win.
JDS will be back though, count on it.
Originally posted by That ACDC Chick
Cause a paragraph of typed text totally equals two pages of paper. haermm
Hence you wasted 2 pages worth of (forum thread)paper b1tching about it...
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
After losing twice? I don't think so. 😂Cain has proven that he has his number. Dos Santos is Cain Velasquez property now. 😎
If he had his number, he probably wouldn't have been rendered unconscious by him in 64 seconds when they first met.
JDS needs a better gameplan, I don't know wtf he was doing last night. No jab, backing towards the fence too often, and winging shots without setting them up. Not jabbing against a pressure fighter like Cain = guaranteed loss. He needs to probe with that jab to keep Cain from pushing forward, and throw his uppercut when Cain ducks under.
They are easily the 2 best HWs in the UFC so I wouldn't be shocked to see them fight again.
If you'll remember Bigfoot Silva got a rematch with Cain after this:
Originally posted by Insomniatric
If he had his number, he probably wouldn't have been rendered unconscious by him in 64 seconds when they first met.JDS needs a better gameplan, I don't know wtf he was doing last night. No jab, backing towards the fence too often, and winging shots without setting them up. Not jabbing against a pressure fighter like Cain = guaranteed loss. He needs to probe with that jab to keep Cain from pushing forward, and throw his uppercut when Cain ducks under.
They are easily the 2 best HWs in the UFC so I wouldn't be shocked to see them fight again.
If you'll remember Bigfoot Silva got a rematch with Cain after this:
Cain is, without a shadow of the doubt, the best heavyweight in the UFC as of now. He's a whole league beyond JDS, as shown in both of their rematches.
Throw all the excuses you want, JDS had his shot. Bigfoot also fought Cain twice, and got destroyed by him twice. Guess that's another thing JDS has in common with Silva apart from having the same nationalities and training camps(?).
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That was a lucky shot. Dos Santos failed to repeat it in both of their rematch bouts. He got 2 separate chances to prove he was the more formidable fighter, but he blew it on both occasions.Cain is, without a shadow of the doubt, the best heavyweight in the UFC as of now. He's a whole league beyond JDS, as shown in both of their rematches.
Throw all the excuses you want, JDS had his shot. Bigfoot also fought Cain twice, and got destroyed by him twice. Guess that's another thing JDS has in common with Silva apart from having the same nationalities and training camps(?).
You lose all credibility by calling that a lucky shot.
First off, let's think logically. JDS has excellent boxing and is the best puncher in the sport, and KO's nearly everyone. Him knocking someone out with a punch is not luck.
Now, let's look at the technique.
JDS set Cain up beautifully in their first fight. Cain leaves holes in his defense, he never moves his head when he punches, and will always try to counter whatever his opponent throws at him rather than letting his opponent miss so that he can get the timing down and throw more well-timed punches.
JDS tossed out a lazy jab, which of course Cain tried to counter (and did so without moving his head), and this drew Cain's hands out of position, thus opening him for the overhand right. The jab was just a throw-away punch to set up the overhand.
That is an expertly set-up combination and not luck. Luck would be if JDS closed his eyes and swung.
The fact that he was not able to repeat that success doesn't negate the fact that Cain got set up and KO'd in their first fight.
Of course, Cain proved who the better man was in their next two fights by coming in with a better gameplan and pressuring more, but let's not act like the first fight didn't happen and let's also not just dismiss it by calling it a "lucky shot", that would be pretty ignorant, no offense.
Originally posted by That ACDC Chick
That makes absolutely no sense at all. awebrow
Originally posted by Insomniatric
You lose all credibility by calling that a lucky shot.First off, let's think logically. JDS has excellent boxing and is the best puncher in the sport, and KO's nearly everyone. Him knocking someone out with a punch is not luck.
Now, let's look at the technique.
JDS set Cain up beautifully in their first fight. Cain leaves holes in his defense, he never moves his head when he punches, and will always try to counter whatever his opponent throws at him rather than letting his opponent miss so that he can get the timing down and throw more well-timed punches.
JDS tossed out a lazy jab, which of course Cain tried to counter (and did so without moving his head), and this drew Cain's hands out of position, thus opening him for the overhand right. The jab was just a throw-away punch to set up the overhand.
That is an expertly set-up combination and not luck. Luck would be if JDS closed his eyes and swung.
The fact that he was not able to repeat that success doesn't negate the fact that Cain got set up and KO'd in their first fight.
Of course, Cain proved who the better man was in their next two fights by coming in with a better gameplan and pressuring more, but let's not act like the first fight didn't happen and let's also not just dismiss it by calling it a "lucky shot", that would be pretty ignorant, no offense.
Yes, his great and awesome boxing skills were on full display as he boxed Cain's fists with his head in Match 2 and the Rubber Match. What a tremendously accomplished striker.
Even in their first fight people were casting doubts on whether or not it was a lucky shot. Cain was also injured.
Listen, just let it go. Cain proved himself as the undisputed superior of the 2. He savaged and manhandled Dos Santos in both their fights. Dos Santos' overhand right was a fluke in the first match, which never got repeated in any of their other 2 matches, and likely won't be in any other match the 2 might have in the future. Not that it is likely that they'll meet anytime soon, considering how much of an inferior fighter Dos Santos is compared to Velasquez anyways. The next title shot is going to Werdum.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Based on?Huh? In BOTH rematches he failed to repeat that overhand right which floored Cain in their first encounter. If he had actually repeated said move even once in their rematches, you might have a point. As it stands, you're being a fanboy now.
Yes, his great and awesome boxing skills were on full display as he boxed Cain's fists with his head in Match 2 and the Rubber Match. What a tremendously accomplished striker.
Even in their first fight people were casting doubts on whether or not it was a lucky shot. Cain was also injured.
Listen, just let it go. Cain proved himself as the undisputed superior of the 2. He savaged and manhandled Dos Santos in both their fights. Dos Santos' overhand right was a fluke in the first match, which never got repeated in any of their other 2 matches, and likely won't be in any other match the 2 might have in the future. Not that it is likely that they'll meet anytime soon, considering how much of an inferior fighter Dos Santos is compared to Velasquez anyways. The next title shot is going to Werdum.
A fanboy? Lol no, I'm just someone who knows a thing or two about boxing. The way JDS set up that combo was 100% skill and not luck. Cain left a hole in his defense, JDS capitalized. That's what happened, you can call it luck all you want but you're just proving that you don't know what you're looking at.
Do you want to see exactly what I said in action?
JDS tosses the lazy jab, Cain tries to counter without moving his head, his hands are out of position and he gets nailed with the overhand.
The fact that JDS couldn't do it again doesn't mean it was luck, that's ridiculous. Rousimar Palhares might not be able to kneebar Mike Pierce in a rematch, does that mean that what happened in their fight was luck? No, of course not. Anthony Pettis didn't land a flying head kick against Ben Henderson in their rematch, does that mean it was a fluke when it actually happened? No, it was a brilliantly timed move that Bendo didn't see coming, kind of like Cain vs JDS 1.
Cain didn't beat JDS with just his striking, he pressured him much more and attempted TDs much more and wore him down in the clinch.
We've all seen what happens when Cain doesn't do that and tries to stand with JDS, he lasts 64 seconds. Even in the third fight Cain got rocked on the first exchange and immediately shot for a takedown, is that a fluke too? No, Cain clearly knows he can't win by just standing with JDS.
And then you want to talk about injuries (after criticizing me for "throwing out excuses"😉, while you're completely ignoring the fact that JDS was also injured in the first fight and was on crutches a few days before the actual fight.
You're calling me a fanboy, when you're the one who clearly can't take any criticism for your boy. I've already said Cain is the better fighter, not sure why you keep repeating that.
The first fight was a case of Cain trying to stand with JDS and getting outboxed by the superior striker. Cain obviously knows that's a bad idea, seeing as how he fought completely differently in the next two fights.
I'm not being a fanboy, I just know what I'm looking at, no offense.
Educate yourself, grasshopper.