Pop stars who want to be "cool"....so they pretend like they are punk......

if you rely on facts to argue for you then you are in the wrong forum, you're discussions will lose credibility very quickly if you are going to jump on everyones back for not having facts to back up their opinion. heres what one of you're discussions will look like

"this movie sucks"

"oh, do you have facts to prove it?"

"of course not, the acting was just bad and the dialogue was retarded"

"you dont have facts!! you're argument isnt valid"

"what are you talking about? the movie was just bad, there arent any facts that can prove it, it isnt a scientific methond"

"do you have any facts to prove it? what if it is a scientific methond, wheres your FACTS"

"im gonna go now..."

get used to it, thats what you're discussions will look like, all the discussions that occur here are about peoples different opinions, if you cant defend an opinion without trying to make the other person give facts that cant be presented, then why even be here. and before you ask, no i dont have any facts to back this statement up.

Dude, i wouldn't reply exactly like how u posted. If a person said "the acting was just bad, and the dialogue was retarded" i'd say "prove it" and the point is that like you said it can't be proven. So therefore you yourself don't have an argument.

The reason i use the "facts" to argue is because people are always so arrogant to think their musical taste or movies taste etc etc is superior to others.

And if i was so "defend an opinion without trying to make the other person give facts that cant be presented"(as you stated) then i'd be forced to rely on the common judgement of whats good and bad, etc. And just because this is commonly excepted doesn't mean it's right.

so in other words you arent ever going to be good at debating.

...define good...i'm debating write now, and you can't prove me wrong. Therefore based the "common perception of good debating" i actually am very good at debating 🙂

prove it.

prove what?

that you're good at debating.

first define good

not relying on facts to prove you're points.

...then based on your defintion of "good" i'm a horrible debator. But that's just your opinion isn't it backfire? 🙂

no its common sense, because any idiot can do what you do, as i am proving and as you proved in this thread.

Define "common sense" and define "idiot" and explain why i am an idiot.

You can't do any of these things and refuse to even try, therefore you're the idiot. Oh but this is just an opinion, as is whatever comes out of your mouth/whatever you type.

you are an idiot because you rely on facts that arent their to argue for you. you cannot defend an opinion without them obviously.

it all ties back to my belief system. And believe me it's hard to argue against it. I used the same kind of thing to debate the war in iraq. again, i'm tired and i'm going to bed, c ya

ive done a pretty good job against it today, i on one hand, gave reasons why i dont like you're music, so that you could mayber understand why i feel that way, you on the other hand, gave no reasons, why you do like that music, or anything, instead you tried to attack my opinions by asking for facts that cant be given, instead of understanding why i feel the way i do about the generic rock music of today. and its not a belife system if you rely on facts that arent there. belief is something that cannot be proven, you on the other hand, rely on simple facts, and if something isnt factual, then it must be wrong or untrue. i bet i can already tell what you're argument was against the war in iraq....

"why bomb iraq?"

"because theirs a good chance they might be hiding devestating weapons in there country"

"but theres no proof"

"no there isnt, but theres a good chance, why else would they not allow UN weapon inspectors into their facilities, they probably had something to hide"

"show me proof"

"well there is none, because they didnt allow UN weapon inspectors to go into the facilities, so we dont know, we have to assume they are hiding something, and if they arent then they can allow the UN weapon inspectors in to the places they are asking to see"

"prove it, they dont have any facts"

"yeah... we just had a discussion about that. didnt you read my previous statement, why would they not allow un weapon inspectors into the facilities if they werent hiding soemthing?"

"but they dont have any facts"

"....ok... i have to go now..."

113, you need a dictionary..just incase i'll define that for you. A COLLECTIVE BOOK OF WORDS CONTAINING THERE MEANINGS,

Originally posted by BackFire349
ive done a pretty good job against it today, i on one hand, gave reasons why i dont like you're music, so that you could mayber understand why i feel that way, you on the other hand, gave no reasons, why you do like that music, or anything, instead you tried to attack my opinions by asking for facts that cant be given, instead of understanding why i feel the way i do about the generic rock music of today. and its not a belife system if you rely on facts that arent there. belief is something that cannot be proven, you on the other hand, rely on simple facts, and if something isnt factual, then it must be wrong or untrue. i bet i can already tell what you're argument was against the war in iraq....

"why bomb iraq?"

"because theirs a good chance they might be hiding devestating weapons in there country"

"but theres no proof"

"no there isnt, but theres a good chance, why else would they not allow UN weapon inspectors into their facilities, they probably had something to hide"

"show me proof"

"well there is none, because they didnt allow UN weapon inspectors to go into the facilities, so we dont know, we have to assume they are hiding something, and if they arent then they can allow the UN weapon inspectors in to the places they are asking to see"

"prove it, they dont have any facts"

"yeah... we just had a discussion about that. didnt you read my previous statement, why would they not allow un weapon inspectors into the facilities if they werent hiding soemthing?"

"but they dont have any facts"

"....ok... i have to go now..."

...actually no, instead of assuming things, learn to ask questions.

My argument was more along the lines of

Anti-war protester: "This war is wrong, it should be stopped"

Me: "Why is it wrong?"

Anti-war protester: "because it is!"

Me: That makes no sense, you didn't explain why it's wrong"

Anti-war protesters(at this point they become like you and think i'm just some idiot) "because they're going to kill thousands of innocent people just for their own greedy cause"

Me: (At this point i have two points to attack them on, 1 being similar to the one in this discussion) "How do you know the government is conducting this war for a greedy cause/where's your proof?"
(and 2 being) "even if that is the reason, so what?" That only means the war is wrong by your standards. And that's not a reason why the government should stop the war.

And by the way this actually happened with a few anti-war protesters i encountered, all were shown to be dumbasses by me. And they basically always resort to just calling me names/mocking me (much like you're doing now)

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
113, you need a dictionary..just incase i'll define that for you. A COLLECTIVE BOOK OF WORDS CONTAINING THERE MEANINGS,

Actually no, i wouldn't have said "define it" there, i would have said. "WHich dictionary are you talking about? English, French, Spanish, German? Chinese? or possiblly soe other language none of us have ever heard of" One persons meaning of things may be different to anothers. It's all percpetion. Why is that so hard to understand?

I guess you'll believe it from Einstein instead of me(since he's a person commonly acceped to be a "genious"😉. Theory of relativity.

It's not only something that's true for motion, but something that's true for individuals.

i think we can all agree to this, no? read it carefully, some good points are mentioned.

http://www.recroommagazine.com/framesmain.htm sorry, click on "articles" on the left side, and click on "Avril Lavigne: Rising Star or Rising *******?" the link didn't work so just do that.

it just makes me feel a lot better knowing that so many peole are against bands from Canada. this author really knows her facts. lol.

Facts? Why the hell do you need facts? You just have that gut feeling that you already know! 😛