Omega: I agree that the machines have not lied thus far. It just feels like the Architech is is not sharing the whole truth. He's not lying, but hes not telling Neo everything about the matrix, and his involvement in it.
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JediHDM: I agree with you. I still think the real world is just another level of the matrix. I think the W. Bros are hinting at that through the girl hope, the kid who freed himself, and also the "Reality" trailer in M1.
Heres that M1 Reality Pic.
That pic shows The Architech watching Neo in the real world. How can that be if both worlds are not supposed to be connected?
Or ask yourself was it a fluke that Agent Smith was able to download his essence into Bane?
What about Neo stopping the Sentinals in the sewers?
I think in the next movie the Brothers will smack us in the face with the truth about Zion. I would not be shocked it Zion were another level of control, constructed by the Architech inorder to keep mankind unaware of the true condition they were really in.
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Yes I know some of these theories have been talked about already.
It is true that the person lookin for her was Link. But notice:
He was White, it seemed at least
He was holding a pistol, what good against a Sentinal?
He was at a burnt down church orphanage, but he acted like it should have been in good shape, and was suprised it wasnt. If it were the real world, wasn't almost every building basically wasted anyhow?
And I'm not completely sure i remember but didnt the operator say somethin bout "Theres an exit" at some location. (Not Too Sure)
well gimmie feedback.
In that comic Link was looking for the girl in the Martix. he was also having a converstaion with his shipmate back in the real world.
The Phoneline that you speak of was a few blocks away from the burnt out church. They were stuck on the roof. So the operator stated that they could climb down the wirelees lines inorder to get to the hardline down the street.
Side note: inorder to jack out of the matrix, you need a hardline. Telephones conected to the wall would be considered a hardline. Cell phones and wireless towers are not connedted to any hardlines. All they can be used for is comunications.
Omega> So, perhaps, If the program that governs Reason(Archie), and the Program that governs Emotion(Persephone), made a child, and this offspring were placed/overwritten/copied into a human, this "child" would have the "choice" inherent in itself (Anomaly, Hope, Michael, etc.). Perhaps, the programming of the ONE was written by Archie and Persephone, and, when placed in NEO, he would be the "child" the Oracle speaks of, the future of, well, everything.
As I was falling asleep last nite this thought came into my mind.
What if the real world was not apart of the matrix?
When the Architech was making the different versions of the Matrix ( after his first failed attempt), he did such a great job at dupilcating every little detail. What if the amazing things that can be done in the Matrix, can also be done in the real world?
What if both words were identical in almost every way?
Heres some quotes from the first film.
Agent Smith: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be
a perfect human world, where none suffered; where everyone would be
happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.
Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the
programming language to describe your perfect world, but I believe
that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery
and suffering. So the perfect world we dreamed, but your primitive
cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why The Matrix was
redesigned to this...the peak of your civilization.
Morpheus: What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see...then real is simply ... electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
Cypher: But there's way too much information to decode The
Matrix. You get used to it. I-I don't even see the code. All I
see is Blonde, Brunette, Redhead....
Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy.
But when you're inside, you look around and what do you see?
Businessmen, Teachers, Lawyers, Carpenters...the very minds of the
people we're trying to save. But until we do, these people are
still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You
have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be
unplugged. And many of them are so innerred, so hopelessly
dependent on the system that they will that they will fight to
protect it. Are you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at
the woman in the red dress?
Neo: I was....
Morpheus: Look again. (Neo turns around and sees an agent
pointing a gun at him) Freeze it!
Agent Smith: Have you ever stood and stared at it? Marveled at
it's beauty? It's genius? Billions of people just living out
their lives......oblivious....
Morpheus: This is a sparring program. Similar to the programmed
reality of The Matrix. It has the same basic rules...rules like
gravity. What you must learn is that these rules are no different
than the rules of a computer system. Some of them can be
bent...others can be broken.
Morpheus: How did I beat you?
Neo: You're too fast.
Morpheus: Do you believe that, my being stronger or faster has
ANYTHING to do with my muscles in this place? You think that's air
you're breathing now?
Neo: I thought it wasn't real.
Morpheus: Your mind makes it real.
Neo: If you're killed in the Matrix, you die here?
Morpheus: The body cannot live without the mind.
Neo: What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?
Morpheus: No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready,
you won't have to.
Spoon Boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon Boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon Boy: Then you will see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
Sorry for all thr long quotes. I just wanted you guys to think about thin line between The Matrix and Reality.
Imo I think the Architech and The Oracle may know that both Realities are almost identical. I think Neo may have figured that out, and stopped the sentinles in the real world.
Give me some feed back about my thoughts.
Urot> Ah. There’s a difference between lying and not telling the whole truth. It’s very possible and probably likely, that the Architect is not telling Neo everything. One could wonder, why the Architect shows Trinity falling to her death, when it not doing that, perhaps would’ve made it easier for Neo to enter the Source.
You don’t need more Matrices for Smith to download himself into Bane. We readily accept that the rebels upload their minds (digital selves) to the Matrix, and lie unconscious in the real world in the meantime. Smith first infected Banes mental projection of his digital self. Since our brains run on bio-chemical electric signals, it’s not farfetched that Smith infected those signals.
Neo stopping the Sentinels in the sewers COULD happen, because his digital self is still in the Matrix.
Zion IS another level of control, it’s allowed to exist, so the Architect can black-mail the anomalies to choose the Source.
Icon> Ah, I retract my statement that “Burning Hope” takes place in the real world. In the beginning the guy says “you must be reading yesterdays code.”, and there’s talk of exits, and agents. My mistake. I just stumbled over the name Link.
JediHDM> HmmmMMM. I see where you’re going. The problem is, that Persephone is an exile. But your idea is good. We should look for a program written to investigate CHOICE and FREE WILL. That could be the “child” in question. However, I doubt one of the programmers of said child would be the Architect. Why would he need to sell the Oracles termination code to the Merovingian to protect this “child”? Could Seraph be that programmer?
The most obvious programmer would actually be the Oracle herself. “The solution was stumbled upon by an intuitive program originally written to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche.” But she wouldn’t sell her own termination code 🙂
As i was going to sleep last night, i was thinking about Mythology, and the Mero/Perse connection...Perhaps, Mero had something that Archie/Perse did not want him to have. Perhaps it was a code to end the Matrix, perhaps it was the threat of revaeling the truth to the One before meeting the Archie, who knows? However, if the Mero had something he was not supposed to, perhaps the only way to get it back was to barter with Mero., give him Oracle's termination code, and make Perse his wife. Perhaps the Archie is not as powerful as we believe. Whatever the reason, it is probably not Persephone, but the most easily accessible program was Persephone, since we have characterized her as an "emotional vampire". But yes, i definitely believe it to be some program that governs FREE WILL and CHOICE, and i think the Mero either had him at one time, or knows of him, considering him "soap-box" speech conserning the powerful and the peons. I don't know, just some thoughts, but i'm open to ideas, although i do believe something like this happened.
I think that if the Matrix and Reality were identical, then NO ONE would leave the Matrix, everyone would accept the Matrix. I think there must be some kind of innate behaviour that tells us about our world, and if the Matrix is exactly like it, then we would not rebel. Realize that there is something truly wrong with the Matrix, that so many people would not accept it for what it is. I think that, subconciously, people may realize that they are slaves, and they know this is not supposed to be so, causing their minds to drift. Reality would not have this slavery, and so they would accept it, no doubts. Given, some would question, just to be difficult, or perhaps they are gifted, but, if the Machines were able to write a Matrix that gets rid of this feeling of slavery, of submission, it would truly be a scary place.
Right I agree.
I was really talking about the possiblity of doing amazing things in Reality, just like in The Matrix.
Both places are governed by physical laws, like gravity and many others.
If you can jump from roof top to roof top in the matrix. What would stop you from doing the samething in reality?
I think the only thing that would stop you from doing those amazing things in the real world would be your mind.
If you could over come thay way of thinking, you would be come unstopable.
Morpheus: What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see...then real is simply ... electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
um, well, the law of gravity is unbreakable, there is chaos theory, but, i dont subscribe to this theory and i wouldn't think that the Wachowskis would either. Getting your mind to bend the law of gravity when it is a program is one thing, but i don't think Neo could break the natural laws, period. Unless Zion is a matrix. If Zion is not a Matrix, it would require, well, Neo be unhuman, or, well, i cant think of anything else. We know Neo is human (just ask Trin...) so, i don't know. And Sifer is right, they don't make their own hardlines, they have to pirate them, hack into them.
Exactly, you can't think of the answer 🙂 Exactly what the Wachowski's intended no doubt. There is gonna be a more complex reason for why Neo can do this thing in the real world and it will make sense - I guarantee. Also, I am holding my opinion on his so called law defying ability in the real world until I hear the Wachowski's explanation of it. I've got no doubts that they can pull it off 😄
Also: "Evolution Morpheus, it's all about evolution."
Could it be possible that Neo is the next step in human evolution? Or possibly a human with a computer program as a mind (a higher form of AI)? No doubt this ability is somehow linked to Smith, but how? Well there are a few explanations of that I could come up with now (more than likely all wrong, but who cares...LOL).
Go ahead, Sifer, share with us. You listen to us, we will listen to you. I am interested.
As i do not believe in evolution, i think that it is unlikely that Neo is the next stage. And it is not that i cannot think of an answer, it is that breaking the laws of "nature", as written and governed by a program, is a totally different thing from breaking the laws of nature, governed by God. I'm not saying Neo can't do it, it is a possibility, but i don't think that that is the way the Wachowskis are moving.
Also, how about you give me reasons why my theory won't work, as i'm tired of thinking of reasons why yours is invalid. 😑
i couldnt put my finger on it before and i havent quite yet (all you other guys probably hav) but there you go thats what forums are for...
when neo is flying out of the explosion morpheus says 'what is that' and link says 'whatever it is its moving faster than anything ive ever seen before'
when he visited the architect he must have 'touched the source' (the architects crib wasnt), unconciously neo has 'seperated his mind from his body'
we first see this when he tightens his grip when flying really really fast
once jacked out he must have more powers in the real world (help me)
not quite sure why hes in some sort of coma