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Herr> I dont think Logan is ugly, he looks ugly in some versions but I dismiss that has bad drawing. He was just short and hair...facil hair,he didnt have that much chest hair. Jackman had the hair...and a bit of muscle. He's actually kinda skinny in real life. He worked out a bit for the 2nd movie. He is however tall.
All the characters (male) in the movie are goodloking characters.
IMO Magneto, the prof. and wolvie were the best cast.
For the Sabertooth thing, I've always regarded him as a beast and as far as I can recall he never slowed down.
As for JD as Gambit, no. He is a good actor but he is a teen idol (because of POTC that came back). I cant see him as Gambit because se is either too comical or to dark.
Originally posted by Kes
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Herr> I dont think Logan is ugly, he looks ugly in some versions but I dismiss that has bad drawing. He was just short and hair...facil hair,he didnt have that much chest hair. Jackman had the hair...and a bit of muscle. He's actually kinda skinny in real life. He worked out a bit for the 2nd movie. He is however tall.
All the characters (male) in the movie are goodloking characters.
IMO Magneto, the prof. and wolvie were the best cast.
For the Sabertooth thing, I've always regarded him as a beast and as far as I can recall he never slowed down.
As for JD as Gambit, no. He is a good actor but he is a teen idol (because of POTC that came back). I cant see him as Gambit because se is either too comical or to dark.
Logan isn't necessarily ugly. I was being blunt, but I was also quoting Wolverine himself. In an issue where he was investigating a kidnapping, he ran into a pretty young chambermaid who when asked if he could look around, she said "you can do more than look, handsome." He thought (in inner monologue) "She must like 'em short, hairy an' ugly. Too bad I don't like 'em like that."
Wolverine should look like Jack Nicholson did in 1975. That isn't ugly, but with that constant snarl, it's not exactly sexy. Jackman is too tall and they didn't put enough hair on his back and arms. They should have at least hiked up his pants in the shirtless scenes so they could give an illusion of shortness.
Although I was hoping for better than Jackman, I definitely agree that he, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellan were the best cast. Well, Toad was a pretty well cast too, considering all they gave him to do was a bunch of fancy footwork and a few British-accented wisecracks. Ian McKellan was wasted in the first movie, because the writing for Magneto was sub-par. In X2, he shined, so I know it's not the actor's fault.
Johnny Depp may be a teen idol, but he's better than the teen idol that actually will be cast as Gambit. Like I said, Depp isn't going to get the part. He is too old, really, and he wouldn't take a part that small nowadays. I'm pretty much expecting a complete failure of a casting and writing job for Gambit. I hope at least the Costume is cool, and doesn't just look like some punk from the Matrix.
Originally posted by Herr Logan
Logan isn't necessarily ugly. I was being blunt, but I was also quoting Wolverine himself. In an issue where he was investigating a kidnapping, he ran into a pretty young chambermaid who when asked if he could look around, she said "you can do more than look, handsome." He thought (in inner monologue) "She must like 'em short, hairy an' ugly. Too bad I don't like 'em like that."
Wolverine should look like Jack Nicholson did in 1975. That isn't ugly, but with that constant snarl, it's not exactly sexy. Jackman is too tall and they didn't put enough hair on his back and arms. They should have at least hiked up his pants in the shirtless scenes so they could give an illusion of shortness.
Although I was hoping for better than Jackman, I definitely agree that he, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellan were the best cast. Well, Toad was a pretty well cast too, considering all they gave him to do was a bunch of fancy footwork and a few British-accented wisecracks. Ian McKellan was wasted in the first movie, because the writing for Magneto was sub-par. In X2, he shined, so I know it's not the actor's fault.
Johnny Depp may be a teen idol, but he's better than the teen idol that actually will be cast as Gambit. Like I said, Depp isn't going to get the part. He is too old, really, and he wouldn't take a part that small nowadays. I'm pretty much expecting a complete failure of a casting and writing job for Gambit. I hope at least the Costume is cool, and doesn't just look like some punk from the Matrix.
Nicholson is and always as been ugly 😆 IMO of course.
Again IMO it was not necessary to make Wolvie short. No need. He is short in the comics but that's the comics.
Indeed Ian was wasted in the 1st but he is an amazing actor.
Deep is a good actor but even if he played Gambit he wouldnt be right for the part. I just hope they cast someone unknown for Gambit. At least there wont be any pre-judgment.
I'm just posting this news/rumor I found!
(02.07) GAMBIT The Movie!?!
UX3 cannot confirm nor deny if Remy LeBeau aka Gambit will be getting his own spin-off film. Where the information originated is classified, but the rumor began popping up on Dark Horizons and other entertainment news sites.
No further info besides "Gambit is getting his own film" was given. X1/X2 Producer, Lauren Shuller Donner already announced in the past that the WOLVERINE spin-off was hoping to begin development around the same time as X3, but she never gave any clue towards GAMBIT...or did she?
In a previous article a few months back, she mentioned: "I have a great idea for Gambit, but I can't say what it is." His cameo scene was also mysteriously cut from the final print of X2. Could there be good reasons for this? Will FOX/ MARVEL follow X3 with solo character spin-offs? Or is this just a clever rumor?
They won't make a Gambit spin-off until they've screen-tested him in a movie first. Don't expect a Gambit movie any time soon. Personally, I would like to see the first Gambit four-part limited series made into a movie. Anybody else read that series and think it kicked ass?
Kes, I can't agree "but that's the comics." Wolverine is supposed to be short, period. That's the difference between him and the Hulk. He is a full foot shorter than Cyclops (in the comics-- Marsden is short), and that is another reason why it's fun to see them argue (in the comics, where thought actually is put into the writing). Wolverine is 5'3", and he's fought the Hulk to a stand-still. It makes him ten times cooler than if he were 6'1" like Jackman. He's not a generic superhero, and that's all these little teeny-boppers seem to want nowadays. Put a little facial hair on Orlando Bloom's face, and the little girls think he's a bad-ass. Bloom will never, ever be a believable bad-ass, but a 5'3" guy who fights the Hulk (8'😉, defeats Sabretooth (6'7"😉, and stands up to the Juggernaught (9'😉 without hesitation... well, there is no question he is the baddest of the bad. Let's face it, they ****ed up in the X-Men movies. Cyclops is short and Wolverine is tall. If they had done it right, Cyclops would be played by a real actor and given a good share of screentime and lines, and he would stand tall and have a commanding (if boy-scoutesque) presence. Wolverine would have at least been given the illusion of shortness so it would be even cooler when he goes at it with whoever wants a piece. They made a 7 and a half foot tall guy even taller with elevator shoes to make Sabretooth look absolutely gigantic. They wouldn't have to do that if Wolverine was what he's supposed to be. We have enough tall characters like Cyclops and Gambit (6'2"😉. Let the little people be little.
hahah, let the little people be little.. lol.. actually i dont really care about
it, and i'm probably one of the hardest core x-men fans you'll ever find.
There are certain things that you cant transpose from comics to film.
alot of it would look wrong, stupid, or just plain dumb. Plus you have to
present the information to the public in a way that invites people who
havent been following the series for years, to come and be interested.
If you start out in the beginning and try to build the bond that the x-men
created over time. you'll fail miserably and end up with a film that no-
body likes. If you just jump right into the action of the comics now. Then
you'd end up with people asking so many questions that they wouldnt
enjoy the film.
I disliked alot, but i also liked alot. I'm alot more pleased with how it
came out than how it failed in certain aspects. That's what makes a good
director. He took something that would have normally been impossible to
please everyone, and he made it where everyone has a little bit or more
of something they like, and he made it entertaining.. kudos to brian for
that.
logan, if you want "the comics" version of everything. your only going
to find them in "the comics" or a novel which allows your imagination to
go free.. sometimes try to picture what happens between frames in
comics and you'll find yourself questioning things about comics.. they
cant show movies in frame to frame mode. no one would like it.. (did
the way they do the "hulk" give anyone else a headache on the frame switches?)
you have to find the good logan, not the bad. Imo you should be happy
there is even an x-men movie. I remember hearing something about it
in highschool and waited over 6 years for it to come out, and i was very
pleased with it.
Originally posted by eristole
There are certain things that you cant transpose from comics to film.
alot of it would look wrong, stupid, or just plain dumb. Plus you have to
present the information to the public in a way that invites people who
havent been following the series for years, to come and be interested.
logan, if you want "the comics" version of everything. your only going
to find them in "the comics" or a novel which allows your imagination to
go free..
you have to find the good logan, not the bad. Imo you should be happy
there is even an x-men movie. I remember hearing something about it
in highschool and waited over 6 years for it to come out, and i was very
pleased with it.
I don't even know where to begin, but I shall try.
Eristole, clearly I didn't explain well enough (or at all, I don't remember) in my prior posts why I don't cotton to that "leave it alone, it's the comics, not the movies" nonsense. I will try to explain that here. It's lazy thinking and people who insist on settling for an inferior product when a quality product is possible are perfectly suited to being a happy, non-demanding consumer-- but not the manufacturer or any kind of authority on such issues. In short, if you are satisfied with mistakes that need not have happened, then that's your problem. Yes, it's a problem. Not for you, but for anyone who has to depend on your judgment in the future. I'm not asking a hell of a lot from someone who claims to be a huge X-Fan. If Singer was really such a fan, he would have given a little bit of credit to the source material and not taken such liberties. Let me say it again: there were mistakes that could have been avoided easily. I'm not asking for the hifalutin technology the LOTR people used to make John Rhys-Davies look short... I'm merely suggesting they could hike Jackman's pants up and use the camera and blocking to create an illusion of the X-Men looking like X-Men. They make Sylvester Stallone look big all the time, and he's smaller than I am (I'm 5'8"😉. Don't give me any noise about how difficult it is to make Wolverine look like Wolverine. They failed, plain and simple. You don't care, fine, but don't expect me to accept that accepting avoidable failure is a smart way to live. You criticize me for looking for solutions when you simply settle for failure. Am I supposed to learn a lesson here? let's hope you don't feel the same way about hospital technicians and vehicle mechanics.
Here's another thing. That whole "drop it, it's just a movie, what do you expect" crap you people keep spouting is so tired. What's that you say? "Well, we think your criticism and complaining is pretty tired." Well, try wrapping your brains around this deep, deep, hard-to-grasp concept: if one is satisfied, then there isn't much to say. If one is unsatisfied, then there is a lot to discuss. Why is there an entire piece of Internet carved out for people to speak up about movies? Is it so people can come here and say "OMG I luv Orli, he's my fave... X-Men rOcKs!!! I think Dorff should be Gambit cuz he got facial hair sometimes... etc"? How very deep and worth a whole friggin' forum. Let's pretend we're all adults for a second and be courageous enough to admit to ourselves that looking for the flaws in a movie and suggesting what might have been better has many more possibilities for conversation, argument, and whatever else you get from this type of communication. Is the light bulb sparking yet? Is it clear why the people who say "stop looking at the flaws" are sick jokes to me?
I'd love to hear a response to this tirade, but I'm not expecting many people here to have the attention span required to finish the whole thing much less the maturity required for taking it seriously or the intelligence to understand it. Prove me wrong, please, so I can have my normally overflowing faith in humanity's intelligence restored to its cascading glory. Oh, and have a good night.
wow, i havent heard total crap like that since the bush election campaign.
obviously your some 15 year old who sits in his basement sharpening
wooden claws you made for yourself.
Welcome to the REAL WORLD buddy, things dont go your way all the time.
in fact they rarely do go the WAY you want them.. there are so many
billion people on this earth to please them all would be literally friggin
impossible.
i dont know why i'm replying because this is bouncing off your skull like
a baseball would off wolvie's.
yeah singer wasnt a fan. Guess who helped make those movies.. how
about the creator of the x-men? is that good enough of a source for you?
evidently not bud. Perhaps we should have had them not make it at all
so you could sit here and be like.. "whoa dude i would so make the awe-
inspiring wolvie that we should so have dude i mean dude it would just
be like.. dude.. omg.." come on man, when you learn the limits of
technology and what can be put on film you can start spouting this crap.
there is a little thing your 16 year old head cant handle yet called money
perhaps you've heard of your parents complaining about it when you
want to buy the whole x-men series from 1 to a billion? yeah that limits
what people can and cant put on film. if they did it your way, you'd have
about 20'ish minutes of film of what you wanted.. and guess what.. they
called it the x-men: animated series..
jeez time to grow up buddy. and from the general census(that means
general feeling so you dont have to go to webster.com or something and
save yourself some time replying in your wonderfully elegant way.)
people are generally happy with X-men 1, and X-men 2. otherwise there
wouldnt be an X-3 brainchild. you need to go back into your basement
and read the x-men comics again and go smoke the 10 dollar hash your
friends found on the side of the street and pretend your actually moving
other than your fingers and your eyelids while looking for fights on the
internet.
Originally posted by Herr Logan
Kes, I can't agree "but that's the comics." Wolverine is supposed to be short, period. That's the difference between him and the Hulk. He is a full foot shorter than Cyclops (in the comics-- Marsden is short), and that is another reason why it's fun to see them argue (in the comics, where thought actually is put into the writing). Wolverine is 5'3", and he's fought the Hulk to a stand-still. It makes him ten times cooler than if he were 6'1" like Jackman. He's not a generic superhero, and that's all these little teeny-boppers seem to want nowadays. Put a little facial hair on Orlando Bloom's face, and the little girls think he's a bad-ass. Bloom will never, ever be a believable bad-ass, but a 5'3" guy who fights the Hulk (8'😉, defeats Sabretooth (6'7"😉, and stands up to the Juggernaught (9'😉 without hesitation... well, there is no question he is the baddest of the bad. Let's face it, they ****ed up in the X-Men movies. Cyclops is short and Wolverine is tall. If they had done it right, Cyclops would be played by a real actor and given a good share of screentime and lines, and he would stand tall and have a commanding (if boy-scoutesque) presence. Wolverine would have at least been given the illusion of shortness so it would be even cooler when he goes at it with whoever wants a piece. They made a 7 and a half foot tall guy even taller with elevator shoes to make Sabretooth look absolutely gigantic. They wouldn't have to do that if Wolverine was what he's supposed to be. We have enough tall characters like Cyclops and Gambit (6'2"😉. Let the little people be little.
IMO Cyclopse being short is the problem. They do give the illusion of Wolvie being shorter in the 1st movie (Wolvie/Cyclopse face to face when being introduced). It was lame, everybody knows how tall Jackman is and How short Marsden is.
As for the face off with Hulk etc...It wont happen in the movie so.
Originally posted by Herr LoganPlease make it shorter.🙂
I don't even know where to begin, but I shall try.
Eristole, clearly I didn't explain well enough (or at all, I don't remember) in my prior posts why I don't cotton to that "leave it alone, it's the comics, not the movies" nonsense. I will try to explain that here. It's [B]lazy thinking and people who insist on settling for an inferior product when a quality product is possible are perfectly suited to being a happy, non-demanding consumer-- but not the manufacturer or any kind of authority on such issues. [/B]
Clovie, I apologize for my humble American education. 'Round heah, we don't learn de metric system, y'see. 6 foot 2 inches is about 2.5 centimeters taller than Hugh Jackman. I'm horrible at math, so that's the best I can do off the top of my head. 😉
Eristole and Kes, you have disappointed me beyond my lowest expectations. I challenge you to prove me wrong and you make me look like I'm talking to deaf children. You repeated the same cliched and invalid point I addressed before. Why do you bother posting such things? Don't you have an ounce of creativity or analytical thinking? Why do you insist on being so intellectually lazy and willing to accept whatever cliched excuses other lazy people give you? Why am I bothering to ask... you'll just repeat yourselves again. You didn't understand what I said before, and that clearly draws the line where your comprehension is limited.
Eristole, I am 22, have never done drugs, live away from my parents, and I don't own any wooden claws. Damn things break too easily... gonna try aluminum next time...
I explained very clearly how it doesn't cost much to change people's height on camera. Are your eyes okay, or did you need me to draw this in a picture for you? You cling to the same tripe some condescending, lazy person must have told you. I'd bet the billion dollars my parents supposedly spent on the complete X-Men collection that you either won't respond or your response will be the same thing as last time, give or take a few weak, uncalled-for insults.
Kes, I'm expecting that you will simply end this thread, rather than give any thoughtful response. I didn't write you off immediately, so this isn't a preconceived judgment. I was really surprised at how dedicated you are to maintaining an innocuous, shallow, elementary way of thinking. You missed the point, how squashing someone else's analysis is much more destructive than giving an analysis that points out flaws. If you don't get it by now, it's either due to lack of attention span, lack of understanding, or both. I'd bet the winnings from my bet with Eristole that you'll end the discussion, simply disappear, or give another non-constructive, repetitive response. I'd also bet you're just fine with walking away, shaking your head and thinking I'm nuts or whatever and then never giving this issue a second thought. That'll be your problem down the line. Not for you, necessarily, but for any person who ever had to rely on your judgment. Is it really that hard to understand that analytical skills have a place in the world. You seem to prefer censorship and maintenance of the status quo. Congratulations. Nice day care center you're running here. I look forward to you proving me right. If, however, you surprise me and say something meaningful, I'd be more than happy to show you equal respect.